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Язык оригинала: Русский #1 |
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Publish a second article devoted to marketing the art market. Since the article was written " in the footsteps " of practice , it is hoped that it will be useful to some readers .
I would appreciate constructive criticism. Statements like "Art is not for sale ," I respected , but in this context it is not interesting. All members of the forum - Happy New Year! Joseph Published in number 4 of the journal " Knowledge. Understanding. skill " Reference is required . Russian art market for contemporary art in terms of marketing IA Goleman ( Moscow University for the Humanities ) The problems of the Russian art market of contemporary art from the perspective of a practicing marketer. The basic marketing problems the main market operators : artists and art dealers ( gallerists ) . The definition of art as a commodity . The applicability of the standard marketing procedures in the Russian market of contemporary art. The basic differences between specific art market from other market segments Keywords: art market , artwork, product marketing, marketing mix , marketing, art, commercial promotion of art works and their authors. Russian art business inherent surprising paradox : the art market, undoubtedly exists ( there are times its many participants and there are numerous , sometimes very costly , transaction ), but the art marketing, and, accordingly, the commercial promotion of the art facilities , in fact absent. Evidence brought by the phenomenon of many. For example, one of the most prominent in the Russian art business sites [1] still vigorous ongoing debate on whether it is possible mutually beneficial cooperation of the artist and gallery owner (ie, the manufacturer of the goods and the seller). Such questions have been a hundred years removed as in other sub-sectors of the market. In Russia it easy to find a lot of professional artists nebestalanny that the age of forty , that is, after two decades of professional activity , with shops and piles filled their paintings have neither their own exhibitions, printing or presentation of their work , or even their presence on the Internet, not to mention own commercial representative. Strange to imagine that in this way enters the market any other product - because the market is , by definition, the environment in which supply exceeds demand . This approach virtually guarantees a market participant business failure . In the case of most of the artists and all the situation . Is that the fact of bankruptcy does not occur, because the real purpose of the artist as a rule is not a market concentration, and continued his creative existence , even if the material at the lowest level .
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Clothing brand picked the wrong <! - ~ 1 ~ -> Any other special remarks none <! - ~ 1 ~ ->) |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #3 |
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Wladzislaw, why is the example of the Barbary wrong ? Personally checked by an example: if the price of the "true " 26 Dresses transport , price -quality fakes about 6 mp and analog " but neym " - 2-3 mp . That's worth the name. By the way , do not fake branded goods for next season will be at least half the price without becoming worse. It is also part of the brand's life . " Just" dress will lose less in price .
Added after 8 minutes Cyril Syzransky, I do not really understand the question . Is there a market ? Yes, there is . This product is made , the transaction takes place with him . Can I participate in it, not knowing the basics of marketing ? Possible . Participate as <! - ~ 1 ~ -> Can I make good money at the same time ? Also probably possible, but extremely rare. Using the same laws and procedures of marketing, is incomparably easier to make money , which is also confirmed by the practice , including my personal . That's what I wanted to bring to the public . Added after 12 minutes Sergey burly, I thank you for your opinion, but I really believe that to discuss the question of whether art item is pointless, if we sell them. Certainly is. Of course, with the specific differences from a plurality of other products. But - while remaining marketable commodity. Последний раз редактировалось iosif; 25.12.2013 в 18:11. Причина: Добавлено сообщение |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #4 |
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I have no "Porsche" or "Bentley" . But I try to buy quality clothes ( Corneliani , Zenya , Canali , etc. there are brands and easier) , Barberi is also present in the form of a suit and coat <! - ~ 1 ~ -> . My analogy on your machine would - Gucci ( also quite pop -mark) and Bryony . Versace and other Digue - is steep firm in the representation of boys in sports. pants and sneakers . A Barberi not up to Bentley. |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #5 |
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Wladzislaw, now I understand what you mean.
Added after 5 minutes Cyril Syzransky, the harness did not try to trade <! - ~ 1 ~ -> pictures - tried. I write only what personally watched. A market exists as long as the produce-sell-buy. May, of course, and all dead men, but owning the latest technology marketing die <! - ~ 1 ~ -> Последний раз редактировалось iosif; 25.12.2013 в 20:22. Причина: Добавлено сообщение |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #6 | |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #7 |
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Cyril Syzransky, I agree with you, but, in my opinion, it's nothing to what I have said does not change.
Added after 12 minutes Peter, yes, I agree , there are two options . One - reliable , but not particularly lucrative . The second high - risky , but a lot of promises . It all depends on choosing psycho . I always choose the second option. Of course , given that this is still not a roulette . Very much depends on my ( promoter ) qualification. And because the chances are not so small. Especially if advance professionally assess the risks ( I wrote an article about their assessment , ie, G -promoted artist criteria ) . The second paragraph completely disagree. In this article I write about the necessary sensuality one artist and promoter. If they are, then the long joint cooperation is very likely Added after 16 minutes Mikhalych, absolutely subscribe . I practice is similar. And in general I'm not very interested in the established collectors . Their soul is already occupied . As wall <! - 1 ~ ~ -> . I very interesting form of consumption environment . In this case, a modest scale need not thousands, but only tens involved . But their <! - ~ 1 ~ -> Последний раз редактировалось iosif; 26.12.2013 в 01:25. Причина: Добавлено сообщение |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #8 |
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Seem repetitive, but the debate again found itself in the evaluation criteria.
Clearly, this is a commodity that requires assessment system for parties involved. Talk about " safe - insecure " makes no sense. It's subjective and changeable . We must look for highly underrated . That's what the evaluation criteria. Criterion proposed in the topic, How much is the artist . If there is an option to buy 10 times cheaper than this criterion , then this is an ideal purchase . I am pleased once again to make sure. Seller , respectively , need to try to hang on to the upper limit of the price criterion. In this space, and is the market margin , with all the accompanying talk and sentiments about the " Creator." In general , the main interest is in the evaluation criteria . And their need to offer to be more versatile tools to assess the product and possible income . |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #9 |
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Fed, undervalued - one of the main criteria -promoted . Because if priced or even more overvalued , it means that already worked here before you <! - ~ 1 ~ -> .
But even if the meager input prices " project " , need serious investment for promotion . And understanding how it's done . Which is unlikely to be present in untrained people . We teach students five years . And then they have to study for a lifetime <! - ~ 1 ~ -> |
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Язык оригинала: Русский #10 |
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Read the article . Thank you.
Read the comments . Very interesting. As a person who is familiar with marketing firsthand , and was educated abroad and who are also responsible for promoting the artist /Cove , I must say that the article makes an impression on me , which is hard to describe, but I'll try . First, there is the impression that the article was written a few years ago ( at least 5-6 years) , it may be due to the fact that either the author no matter what kept commitment to classical marketing , or do not know or do not attach much importance to that now " advanced marketing "is called" promotion sots.setyah " , and specialized internet sites and believe me , I know whereof I speak. secondly , there are mistakes, some were commenting are , I agree with them in different degrees ( for example , a number of well-known brands , which the author mentioned , " Porsche Cayenne ", " Versace " and so , in my opinion , logically lead to discourse on conspicuous consumption, astronomical prices for some artists in the secondary market , collecting as a way of familiarizing with the new elite , etc., but then there would have to lead as an example not I. Sapunkova and .... ( You can put different names ) Third, the opportunity to become completely valid in relation to ros.rynku more precisely certain of its segments , and then everything becomes clear , but again, with regards to the whole ros.rynka - marketing is not a panacea , but rather an illusion that there are market and there is a promotion , a way of spending time and zarabatyvaniyadeneg . Death of the Gallery Show
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