A few words about Pablo Almodovar

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I am even ready to talk about the movie, if only to distract the audience from the topic "Stalin." Yesterday on TV showed a film of one of my favorite directors Pablo Almodovar - Talk to me. In my opinion, he does not have a single unsuccessful film. They are all about the life of marginalized members of society - transvestites (All About My Mother), homosexuals (Bad Education), the mentally abnormal (Matador), prostitutes (Kika). But no scandal involves subjects or the viciousness of the characters, and humanistic approach Almodovar. He says belief in "the best" in man, the ability to forgive for the sake of love, tolerance to people. If at the "bottom" of life ultimately triumphs over death and villainy punished, then all is not so bad! His gesture at the service of an Oscar for best foreign film (if I'm not mistaken) in the year when America went to war in Iraq has reinforced my respect for this director. Who else likes these themes and his films?

[fross]

And you can not entirely on topic? I wonder what role video-art? I sincerely do not understand why he needed and in what sense.

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Сообщение от fross

A possible issue is not quite on the topic? I wonder what role video-art? I sincerely do not understand why he needed and in what sense.

I will try to answer to the best of their abilities. I am not a guru in a video-arte, I can only share their raw opinions and lead interesting in my opinion examples. Video art has turned, when the TV tired of being just "Telecom producing shirpotrebnye commercials, and wanted to become an art, which is not a sin to show in museums. Then with the help of video technology artists were "painting pictures" through film. In the painting as it added time (motion), the real space and sound. I'll show the two artists - an Englishwoman Sam Taylor-Wood and astraliytsa Bill Viola. To begin with Wood, as it more "cinematic". She (Sam Taylor Wood) I like most about work:
"The Ascension» http://video.aol.com/video-detail/sa...ion/3858041151
Spot "Still Life" - just curious thing without any claims on the art of (frailty of life, illustrated through the classic still life, shows more clearly than (fruit turn a rotten lot in front of the audience)
"Pieta» - Viola filmed videos of the masters of Italian Renaissance paintings ( «The greetings» a painting Pantormo "Visitation"). http://www.sfmoma.org/media/features/viola/OS01.html
In this paper, "The passing" Bill Viola's philosophical theme of continuity of the life cycle, the unity of life and death is revealed on the basis of autobiographical material. He took off like a mother dies, a son is born and grows. The degree of impact on the senses are much stronger than that of painting. Spectator in kinoshnogo "involved" in the work of the artist. By-passing of this feature for video art has features not available fine arts, for example, show natural optical and visual phenomena. Video clip "Portrait of light and heat" Viola, it demonstrates
Today, many contemporary artists, having exhausted himself in a kind of genre, switched to video art. Oleg Kulik at zero shot the film on his journey to Tibet. The camera goes on the earth itself, and the viewer feels as if walking on the rocky surface of the mountain valley. It's so interactive, as if you had experienced this experience.
In theory can be read by Boris Groys, who is considered a theorist media art (the book "Under Suspicion", article "New media art at the Museum" and "Speed of Art"). Articles I send or attach ('ll show, but I have not mastered the possibility of the site), and the book is now sold.

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Сообщение от Munch

In the painting as it added time (motion), the real space and sound.

Allow a few words from a fan, not burdened with neither the experience nor the theory ...
I think it is not correct to compare video art and painting in general. This is a different kind of art, using other means and pursuing other goals.
I would say that the pictures add time. It is more akin to cinema and photography. And the means and objectives of the impact on the viewer.
Actually, to my untrained opinion, no need to compare the actual, conceptual iskkusstvo, video art with painting.
At some stage of development (or degradation) of their paths diverged.
It's like comparing music and poetry.

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Сообщение от Tit

Allow a few words from a fan, not burdened with neither the experience nor the theory ...
I think it is not correct to compare video art and painting in general. This is a different kind of art, using other means and pursuing other goals.
I would say that the pictures add time. It is more akin to cinema and photography. And the means and objectives of the impact on the viewer.
Actually, to my untrained opinion, no need to compare the actual, conceptual iskkusstvo, video art with painting.
At some stage of development (or degradation) of their paths diverged.
It's like comparing music and poetry.

  Already regretted that said Fross. I went to an understanding of video art from painting, rather than from photography. On the professional lecture about it is not claimed, but simply wrote their ideas for Fross. Think I certainly can not, despite the fact that someone thinks otherwise. Maybe you drill the definition of video art for more than "a different kind of art, using other means and pursuing other goals? For sim removed, because long realized that it is ungrateful (to express my thoughts here). Always someone easier potseplyatsya for words, say something "is not correct," than to write your answer to someone's question!
PS: The Art of Bill Viola and Wood - not conceptual (if understood by the "conceptualism" 2nd floor 20 at. In the West), and not actual (if by this we understand the topic, most acutely reflected the spirit of time). It is - timeless (judging by the subjects). I spoke only about him, not about the video-arte at all.

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Сообщение от Munch

Maybe you expand the definition of video art for more than "a different kind of art, using other means and pursuing other goals? For sim removed, because long realized that it is ungrateful (to express my thoughts here). Always someone easier potseplyatsya for words, say something "is not correct," than to write your answer to someone's question!

Judging by the number of smilies you're joking. Of course, I did not want to "cling" and, of course, difficult to write a response - so I'm a reader. (Sorry, crept into your conversation, could not resist). And your thoughts are particularly interests, and it is rewarding.

Expand the definition of video art I can not - must be read or think too much. I have a painting does not understand. Do not always know how to distinguish good art from the weak.
  And if the "more detail", then "other means" - in contrast to the painting, which solves the problem of plastic (light, color, composition) through the canvas and paint - a moving picture, set up a camera and computer. Even if this cartoon.
"other purposes" - as opposed to painting which pleases (or care) eyes and feeling - excite the brain.
At least, in the examples cited by you, "exposure to the power of the senses - through the brain.
This "literariness" is not less than sots.realizm and itinerants.

[Allena]

Сообщение от Tit

I would say that the pictures add time.

I (subjectively, of course) think that a good picture - it is not "frozen time" (I hate that cliche!), But she is that exists in time, or perhaps out of time, but certainly not in a single time point, as well as a good painting. It seems to me that in any kind of art associated with the movement of a priori, be it dancing, cinema, video art or body art, while playing an active role in influencing the audience, so they can not, in principle, to compare, say, with a sculpture or painting .

[fross]

Сообщение от Munch

In theory can be read by Boris Groys, who is considered a theorist media art (the book "Under Suspicion", article "New media art at the Museum" and "Speed of Art"). Articles can I send or attach ('ll show, but I have not mastered the possibility of the site), and the book is now sold.

Thank you. In a book on the theory I am not yet ready, but you may find some interesting story - always read it.
Not very still understand where are the video-art. Film tells a story photo tools (video-art is a short film?), Cartoons tell the story of pictorial means (video art is a cartoon without a history? "), Commercials and video flash series of products (video-art could make these Commercials not shirpotrebnymi?)

I can not determine the purpose of video art, is it simply in order not to idle blank screen?

Your opinion is much more interesting read than sometimes looking at the work themselves, and not only of video art.

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от fross

Your opinion is much more interesting read than sometimes looking at the work themselves, and not only of video art.

I totally agree. Read Munch - a special pleasure.

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Сообщение от fross

Not very still understand where are the video-art. Film tells a story photo tools (video-art is a short film?), Cartoons tell the story of pictorial means (video art is a cartoon without a history? "), Commercials and video flash series of products (video-art could make these Commercials not shirpotrebnymi?)

I can not determine the purpose of video art, is it simply in order not to idle blank screen?

Questions the nail on the head. Now, if among forumistov found a specialist in video-art ... I'm just looking video movies at exhibitions, something contemplate, and theoretical study somehow put out. I decided for myself that video art - is a form of cinema, designed more for a museum or other institutions of fine arts (galleries, Center for Contemporary Art, Biennale), than for the wide screen. Somehow it seems to me that professional highly trained cinema in no hurry to take the video art under his wing. And the perception there is some resemblance to art, where images of stationary (painting, photography). In the museum you can always go to a picture, leave, come back, nothing like not passing. Video art at most - are those commercials, where even if prerveshsya, you still understand what there is - just a glance, as well as in a painting (here I do not mean anything derogatory. Clearly, before some picture can be to stand for hours, having more fun than the video. Here - on the length of time). I used to faithfully serve time in front of the screen, afraid to miss something. Now detained only if I like the way me affects sound and movement. In general, I, of course, the questions are not answered. Once doznayus on their merits, then return to this subject.