For the professional forum!

[Seriy]

The last violent exchange of remarks at the forum revealed the urgent problems in the forum and put the question to the edge of the Administration:
- And what forum creators of the site built?

 The administration can still come off the erase messages, distribute ban and will explain the participants clearly its policy development forum, its future developments?
  For example, what purpose has the presence of non-core subjects? Admins or building information portal razvelekatelny "The mushrooms and music" on the background of pictures? And it will attract a lot of people, including the profile ... But this does not happen, there is no rapid growth of the forum, but there is a user who openly declare that they artbiznesu have no relationship, just communicate. The administration expects that sooner or later the user will buy a subscription AI? In vain ...
 IMHO, the non-core subjects must be banned.

One reason for the recent rapid exchange of remarks was that of the users wrote on the forum incognito, including criticism of others, ostensibly give professional advice. And now, thanks to "force" the disclosure was incognito, that not everyone is ready to listen to criticism from the user from the dropdown skill level.
What is this phenomenon in our artist-incognito? Does not disclose the name or alias creative, does not publish a track record, education, exhibitions, shows no work ... What are people doing online? and they are not one or two ..
Absolutely the same attitude and gallerist, incognito. Gallery owner money spent on advertising the gallery, and suddenly here, "a mystery" ... Do not need such gallery owners.
 I'm for the abolition policy incognito on the forum. This is a general trend of the Internet, many networks are prohibited incognito, kindly inform his real name, address, and so on, until the bank details. Do not want to look for another place, to express themselves.
 This is partly a matter of going on-we know who Vladimir Bogdanov, who is a LCR or Lucy Voronov, they have nothing to hide.
 But we all remember how incognito LCR began to accuse of incompetence.
 Why such a policy is supported by the Administration, explain, please?
Yes, be allowed to stay incognito to 50 or 100 messages, but then be so kind as to define who you are and why you're here. Personal information to be open to users with less than 100 messages.
 We all see that the current policy forum inefficient, en masse people open, experienced, respected. And who comes to replace them? Runet's not inexhaustible, replacing the departed many years to wait.
That does not appear more than once some of the Kiev gallery owners, we knew their galleries, websites, projects, and I personally knew them. To replace them came "gallerists"-incognito?
And I remember how one of Kiev galeristka saw on the forum of the young artist invited to exhibit in his gallery. I do not remember if there was a report on the forum, but the exhibition took place, I was on it.
That such an effective forum to my liking.

I do not know the site statistics and a forum Administration course of events can be completely satisfied. But I know that Runet not rubber, and many sites are experiencing an outflow of visitors to other sites. Even at the reduced Artnau number of registered participants (there are removed the participants did not confirm their activity for some time). We know that sometimes departed from the forum user organize their sites and forums.

 In light of all that is happening really want oznakomittsya that administration plans to which forum it builds and what users want to attract to the site and forum?

[danvik]

In my opinion is not normal in the Institute to report complete information especially bank details and address and why?
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[artcol]

Gray , a forum about investment or - increasingly - the economy in the arts. Gallery owners - even incognito relevant, but here are your questions and requirements - not very.

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[Seriy]

danvik, at a number of sites required for registering the personal data on the vast majority of U.S. sites, for example, where I registered. On Artmazhere too. In Russian Artnau too.

If you think that Gregory joked about the presentation of a passport office in the AI, you are mistaken. Personally, I showed, Constantine rewrote my passport details, nothing terrible has happened, is alive and well so far.

 Of course, how much accurate information about the user itself provides - the administration will decide itself. For the artists - it is clear to gallery owners, too - the address of the gallery, ck years in business, for dealers and collectors sk.let in business, area of ​​interest and competence.

  IMHO, the separation of commercial and forum-buy-sell has already occurred. In the commercial portion of its audience, which in general forum is not involved. And sooner or later there will have to introduce more stringent controls, if you intend to actually collect the fee.

On the departed ... Vladimir Chernomashentsev organized portal for art HalloArt.ru c forum, where there are sometimes some forum users AI. LCR is active on Facebook, where he continued to lead a very interesting blog and has a large audience.

 Vladimir, in a form which is now - is unclear who in general forum is useful, but the troll-incognito ...
Maybe that's why many people do not linger?

I tried twice to lead the Americans to the forum, for example, employees with world-renowned galleries, they are revered by some forum and refused to participate, but were initially very excited about the opportunity to talk with Russian artbizom.

[zarajara]

Сообщение от Seriy

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On the departed ... Vladimir Chernomashentsev organized portal for art HalloArt.ru c forum, where there are sometimes some forum users AI. LCR is active on Facebook , where he continued to lead a very interesting blog and has a large audience.

 

Seriy, Facebook - it's a completely different format , I am also active on the Stock Exchange , as many forum users that I talk out there .
And I have several blogs , one of them - in Russian, but still I talk to are also quite active on the forums, astrologers , and psychologists. None of this is called - to leave the Artinvestmenta , just hang out everywhere on different topics and with different people.
 Personally, I'm happy with everything here , including non-core debate. I would like more tolerance and less rude, but IMHO, with time and this is somehow produced. Gradually produced a style of communication Artivestmentsky and starts to look like " who's who" and what you can expect from him .
Write under the name or not - a personal choice. In the end, very easy access to complete information about the person enough to write in PM.

[Seriy]

zarajara, we're somewhere other than the AI ​​communicate . You came to the forum later and do not feel sad that the dynamics that occurs on the AI ​​forum.
Alas , no "image" ... all the ends of the new wave of departures ... get new people , like you, for example ... but the instability of a forum is not growing. If you remove the reports and V. K., from the forum what they once ...

Added after 2 minutes
Cyril Syzran, if you leave, instead of the 7 new posts will be 1.
Here I am exactly that.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Here, too, now I clicked on the New posts and I open a page with 15 messages (from 17:23

from artcol to your in 22:10), of which the author of 4 I am.

Now they seem to already be 5.


I do not have to reproach messages.

Already got.
Write something yourself, but do not chew snot and tears pour.

[Seriy]

Cyril Syzran, actually, I go to the forum to read more and see what to write.
Many articles of LCR for me were the opening - I do not know many artists, of whom she wrote.

No tears, no one pours, but the prospects know you want, if they exist.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

and do not chew snot and tears pour.

But, please, pattern and style "communication" and dissonance .. (Krysota! - and that is not specific bans anyone ...)

[zarajara]

It seems to me that the forums have some sort of karma.
 Perhaps there is some optimum, having that forum starts to fall apart, sometimes from a bud others.
I look through here, too, are very large and popular forums astrologers and psychologists who, by the way is much more honed to professional communication and the benefits (potential customers, invitations to lectures and seminars, to fulfill orders over the Internet, there are no problems with customs, forwarding, etc. ..) At these forums very often come newcomers, mostly from personal issues and problems. But now experts are also longtime residents of these forums quite a bit, and they also have an uneasy relationship, sometimes dismantling reach court.
It seems to me that even very active core of a large forum of 30-40 people, plus there are usually a few narrow topics that inhabits another 10-15 people. Perhaps this is due to the peculiarities of human perception: more difficult to retain in the field of attention, and hence communication is not obtained.
I do not know, maybe another situation will be such as female or political forums where people share a common idea or problem (for example, than to feed the baby, if there is no milk).
It is important to understand that Artinvestment - this is not a narrowly professional forum for artists and dealers. He became a platform for people involved in the arts, and involvement in the arts may be very different.
An alternative may be a narrowly professional forum for collectors, this function do some good forums, (I think it makes no sense to specify-what). They are practically useful, but there is quite a truncated communication, because the scope is too hard-coded (just under that offers Grey)
Site artists very much, there you can get information about the artist, see his work, but they do not involve an exchange of views.
 There are sites (and now often replace their FB) magazines on art, there may be something to comment, but they do not develop into full-fledged forum.
Narrow the scope of the forum to purely professional - is to duplicate sites, which are many.
I think most of these sites would like to be in the mode Artinvestmenta, but it is impossible to achieve on purpose.
 I'm telling you - karma. >