How not to be deceived

[Жар-птица]

Gentlemen, good morning, I begin an art expert (while studying at university). I want to talk to you on an art dealership. Here I have, for example, have a friend, heir to a very serious films (the level of the Tretyakov Gallery). And we want to sell them. Examination is, prevenans clear more or less, no insurance. My further action, advise! Prices now similar pattern superheated. As the market for such antique paintings in Moscow is still mostly illegal, then how not to be deceived ...? To start?

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Сообщение от Firebird

how not to allow themselves to be deceived ...?

And what are you afraid of? What fraud? Price? Or by Technology of the transaction?
Why

Сообщение от Firebird

antique market for such works of art in Moscow is still mostly illegal,

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What do you mean by this "illegal"?

[Жар-птица]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Why are you afraid of? What fraud? Price? Or by Technology of the transaction?
Why
  ?
What do you mean by this "illegal"?

Afraid to make mistakes, as little opyta.Zhdu any advice.
Under the "illegal" I meant that our beloved Moscow, such works are sold "his people", not at auctions, galleries ...

Issues are the following points:
- It is correct to shine now that level in the environment "dealer", while offering them more room?

- Whether the practice of contracting with the owner of the picture and what percentage of "agency" fees realized from the canvas. (natural person has the right to engage in entrepreneurial activity) are the options? Tell me please)

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Сообщение от Selene

inheritance inheritance - discord. I would start by establishing the history of the origin of things. It may be that the heirs of the paintings still hang out with the years 300-400 is not worth.

It is worth it "Peredvizhnik" if you had this in mind) Painting "clean" on the wall for nearly 70 years is hanging.

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It is worth it "Peredvizhnik" if you had this in mind) Painting "clean" on the wall for nearly 70 years is hanging.

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Сообщение от Firebird

it is correct to shine now that level in the environment "dealer", while offering them several salons?

Give just your opinion.
In general, "light" is not necessary. Once you learn in academic, you can get an idea about the price, vostrebovatelnosti, rarity in the market of works of this artist (-ing?).
Then you can already submit to whom and where to offer a picture (s?).
Ideal-to find a finite pokupatelya-kollektsionera/sobiratelya.
You, as a student-future date to art, such a task on the shoulder, even with their teachers can learn it easily.
You, I understand you want to get mediation%of the transaction? Laudable and legitimate desire.
And this makes it possible for you have a question-how to formalize the agreement with the owner of the paintings on this%? I do not know, frankly, I do not have such experience. And without a contract you are afraid that you will deceive the owner after the transaction?
There are options, but I was not very convenient to you to give such advice. Work out the options. Until receipt of their legitimate%when the buyer during the transaction, such a practice exists.
Much can still write, give it a try to spin the situation head-You better know the source data.

[Sandro]

Firebird, I advise:
- Look at the sale on this site
- Formulate a desired price items
- To propose a thing, armed provinansom (written on the photos) and expertise (you said that it is) more serious antique dealers or galleries
-continue to identify - who will offer more and more people call confidence
Usually things agree with the owner of 10-20%with the sale or negotiate with the buyer or dealer for the same interest, or half the profits.

[Жар-птица]

Thank you, that is, look, speak more specifically. Price is 700-900 $ 000 (before the crisis). Her boss had tried to sell, we will not go into details of how. If customers will look for Gallery, to work seriously, so to speak, and my business is only to act as a broker from the buyer, the higher amount will ona.Kto and why I actually .... And from such amounts of 10-20%is too high money, or about? "Yes, and the owner hang himself so much to pay.

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Сообщение от Sandro

Firebird, I advise:
- Look at the sale on this site
- Formulate a desired price items
- To propose a thing, armed provinansom (written on the photos) and expertise (you said that it is) more serious antique dealers or galleries
-continue to identify - who will offer more and more people call confidence
Usually things agree with the owner of 10-20%with the sale or negotiate with the buyer or dealer for the same interest, or half the profits.

You see, my first law degree, so ask the logical question of how to arrange relationships with galleries and with the buyer, or are all here on parole? For example, here in the real estate market suschestvuet lot of intermediaries, comes to the first hand (bypassing the other parties to the transaction) and the like, you know what I'm talking about the dishonesty of the whole))) as a hedge? In general, trust but proveryay.A do something about, I earn less than the whole think is interesting just to do it, be professional, honest and experienced))) instead of "runner" ...

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от Firebird

You know, my first law degree, so ask the logical question of how to arrange relationships with galleries and with the buyer, or are all here on parole?

In your case a lot of unknowns and the safety of the transaction, I think, more important than profit. And the issues are no longer academic, and legal. I would in that case, perhaps, turned to the good practice lawyer (business-lawyers) and attracted to him for secure transactions. This is their profile, in life they just do, so that contractors do not prick each other without legal consequences.

[AlexanderG]

Zdorovo zvuchit - nachinaiuschii ekspert! Takogo ne byvaet.

Po suschestvu: esli vy boites' obmana, to sostavliaetsia dogovor s tret'im litsom, naprimer s bankom, pokupatel 'kladiot den'gi v bank, a vy mozete ih poluchit' v svoih doliah s prodavtsom, tol'ko posle podtverzdeniia sdelki pokupatelem .

T.e. pokupatel '- prodavets den'gami ne rasporiazaiutsia.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Firebird

as a hedge?

It is difficult, especially for the beginner, and the more the facilitator.

Сообщение от Vladimir

I would in that case, perhaps, turned to the good practice lawyer (business-lawyers) and attracted to him for secure transactions.

is theoretically correct, but the contract will appear only enter numbers (sales), mediation, and that is taxes. (But the owner says "Firebird" miser), so this option is probably unnecessary.
"Firebird" gesheft definitely does not shine ..
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Discuss this deal (about 1 mln.u.e) in an open forum point net.Mozhno only guaranteed to find adventure in one place.

[uriart]

In Moscow there is a good bank "new symbol". There is a great repository for pictures. It will provide space for the transaction. There the most comfortable conditions for conducting such activities.
Find it easy. Request a search engine and get all the data, address, phone, etc.