War examinations

[Artem]

10.04.2014

War examinations

« We have more information on thousands of work whose authenticity is in doubt ».

Publisher directory fakes paintings VLADIMIR ROSCHIN spoke about the current situation with the expertise of the old art .

What has changed for the last time with the examination of works of art ?

Nothing has changed, everything has become even worse. A few years ago came out catalogs of counterfeit works of art, which published nearly a thousand fake paintings , equipped with "correct" expert opinions. Buyers suffered multimillion-dollar losses , and with experts - like water off a duck's back . Dishonest experts found that they could do anything to participate in fraudulent schemes - and they were not in danger . What is happening today in the expert community , can be called a "war of expertise ." Can cause a lot of examples . For example , there is one interesting character : she used to perform administrative functions and worked on de minimis Western European artists , but suddenly become an indispensable expert on artists of the first row ... This is the same as if people learned to drive a scooter, and then decided that can sit at the controls of the aircraft .
Collectors and art dealers who cherish the reputation earned over the years , of course, are not happy with what is happening. Scandals in the expert community negatively affect their business. But change is nothing they can - anyway they depend on expert institutions , because without examination can not sell anything . And only a very few dare to speak publicly about what is actually happening in the art market .
Very good on this topic expressed my friend Yemelyan Zakharov , the owner of the gallery " Triumph" , "I just want our esteemed experts decided on their positioning. Or are they - the criminals , giving false imprisonment, or laymen , endlessly confusing originals with fakes . Thanks to their " shock " working people involved in buying and selling paintings, now perceived at the same level whether pimps , whether with drug dealers trying to sell the customer another " bullshit ."
As dramatically expresses one of the biggest collectors of Russia , president of Alfa Bank Petr Aven . "I believe that we should not be ashamed to name names - says Peter Aven - Here experts TG Valyaeva or Lomize . They few trusts. There are people like critic Svetlana Jafarova she really professional and knowledgeable woman, deliberately embarked on the path of selling fakes " ( full text of the interview in the third edition of the "Catalogue of fakes " ) .

How do you see a way out of this situation? Maybe expertise is not needed ?

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When it is determined that the examination with the seal of public institutions or scientific restoration centers attached to forgery - experts immediately declare that they are the people have the right to make mistakes, and generally gave only his personal opinion. I have said many times , that in this case and it is necessary to write in conclusion: "Blame the artist confirmed work is museum value " and below " is our personal opinion and no guarantee we do not give ." Buyers should know what is happening , and not to take over the infallible truth everything that is written on pieces of paper with seals of museums and science centers and restoration .
I'm spending art expertise is necessary, and of course, every work must be paid . In my opinion, the examination should be - as an auxiliary tool . It should be clearly understood that the only thing that can guarantee the buyer a refund in case of any problems - it is the authority of the seller and is legally correct paperwork.

Recently, there was an unpleasant history with linen Peter Nilus " In the living room ." Authorship of the artist and museum quality paintings confirmed Irina Gerashchenko eminent expert engaged "first names " Russian painting. But the picture was a fake. What do you think about it?

I know this story, and I know Irina Gerashchenko of Scientific and Restoration Center. Grabar . As for her mistakes with the work of Peter Nilus ( which costs , according to experts , no more than $ 30-40 thousand ) - I do not think there is any intent. I have said many times , there is no expert who would not wrong . Although it is a rare case when the participant Antiques Forum of Odessa , without scandals and publicity in the media, able to refute the opinion of the famous expert and prove that a fake picture . After the appearance of approval forum participants that the picture is a later copy , stakeholders asked for auction in Moscow, where she was put up for sale, to provide for re- painting , conduct chemical analysis . The second study showed that the painting was not before the 1960s .
I can give you another example . In December 2013 at a Russian auction was put up for auction picture Zinaida Serebryakova " Resting girl " with three different conclusions supporting expert institutions , and an estimated value of 8.25 million rubles. In the auction catalog has been written that the painting comes from the collection of Mikhail Fedorovich Glazunov ( collector , Uncle Ilya Glazunov ) . I do not call auction , because the picture just removed from the auction after experts sounded the alarm. As a result , all three examination were false . How could get a picture with the provenance up for auction , it remains a mystery. I could cite dozens of such examples.

Will the continuation of the " fakes Directories »?

Continued necessarily , but not in this format as before. We will gradually spread some questionable work site stolenart.ru in " forgery ." Some of what we publish will be a big surprise to experts and those who trust them .
We have a huge archive that is constantly updated . Now we have more information on thousands of work whose authenticity is in doubt . But to publish it in full , we do not plan to . To us , you can make a request , not free, of course .
And take this opportunity to appeal to the participants of the art market. Many of you have materially affected by the work of experts , whose main " specialization " was not so much a study of the artist as Hidden or outright extortion trade " necessary" expert opinions. If you have information about counterfeit works of art, which include expert opinion confirming authorship, we are ready to give wide publicity to these facts . Your privacy is guaranteed.

Elena Sobolev

http://stolenart.ru/news/11/19/vojna-ekspertiz

[sergejnowo]

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Although it is a rare case when the participant Antiques Forum of Odessa, without scandals and publicity in the media, able to refute the opinion of the famous expert and prove that a fake picture.

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...83%D1%81%D0%B0

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Roschin always distinguished categorical statements. Fakes became less, not more! Many pointed out , had a special view, subjective, advantageous to him scandals expertise !
Everything is wonderful , let publishes . He wrote - " any expert can be wrong " and should be held accountable material . And he himself , with his advisers will also serve as expert ? He will be responsible also material ? Or is he a priori infallible ? Why he took it better versed than the experts ? And if , by mistake publish real ? Suffer at least three parties - the expert seller, the buyer . Let then and it guarantees its financial responsibility . Who? And on the basis of examinations which recognizes the work of fake? He also has " The most independent of independent examinations " - examination ? Who are the experts - Petrov ? Then let them meet all the money. What wrong is always in the same direction ? Try to wash , dirt, if by mistake your work falls into forgery , not one auction it will not take. Many experienced experts are not so categorical and in no hurry to declare immediately counterfeit work and recommend to wait in the hope of discovering new materials for a particular author.

[Artem]

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Who are the experts - Petrov ? Then let them meet all the money. That is always wrong in the same direction ?

So Roschin about it and said that experts should be responsible for their mistakes ... Including Petrov ! This is in his documentary " Errors or scam" ....

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From what he took , that he knows more than the experts ? And if , by mistake publish real ?

Here, let me disagree with you , on the facts of publications in " directories fakes " was not checked ... just before and after their release. And all that have not published Contested documentary evidence (that three issues of /expert Petrov and two release /TG experts and belt . That's a lot for a long time and discussed among professionals ... regards Roshchina (although my attitude to this gentleman rather ambiguous , we know a little bit ) because he has the most win-win situation ( I mean the legal side of the issue ), it exclusively feathers only on the facts that were presented by the experts ... Petrov on them they are at it , etc.

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Roschin always distinguished categorical statements. he has a special look , subjective , advantageous to him scandals expertise !

It is impossible to disagree with you . I agree 100 %

It is very clearly seen precisely this desire ...

Сообщение от Artem

10.04.2014
If you have information about counterfeit works of art, which include expert opinion confirming authorship, we are ready to give wide publicity to these facts . Your privacy is guaranteed.

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Here, let me disagree with you , on the facts of publications in " directories fakes " was not checked ... just before and after their release. And all that have not published Contested documentary evidence (that three issues of /expert Petrov and two release /TG experts and timing .

Why not agree .... that Mr. Petrov could be wrong ? So he himself repeatedly made ​​during GTG ..... or is it all forgotten , and then he like and not to blame, who's talking ... You want to say that every published work , there are two to refute conclusions eligible organizations to carry out examination ? Public and collectors , what is the evidence ... so emotions.
 But in the case of an error , will respond quite Roschin and not an expert - experts we can be wrong <! - ~ 1 ~ -> . Eg for spreading false information discrediting reputation - he's a fake if acknowledges the work to publish . <! - ~ 1 ~ -> , and this may not be so . Three directories - it's not all art is sold on the market, still ahead, directory does not document the way .

 But to your specific and direct question - why are you interested in recently questions relating exclusively fakes ? Not whether you have what the attitude to redistribution of the market expertise ? Soon there will be a new "place of examination " Are not your interest with this .

Or anything personal ! <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

P.S. His film is overgrown with moss , all worn with it , by the way is not better than journalistic little articles . Especially ridiculous these inserts - slicing of comedies.

[Евгений]

"I do not want to talk about Basner - says gallery owner " Triumph " Yemelyan Zakharov - I just want to ensure that our esteemed experts defined: they are criminals or giving false imprisonment, or laymen , endlessly confusing originals with fakes .... .. "
Proper assessment of the processes taking place in the field of expertise ..

[тата]

Categorical be easy, especially if you do not have to demand.
Well, if all the criminals confessed to their antics, then the police would not be needed.
<! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[khmelev]

IMHO, there is one rather delicate moment . Examination , which includes the whole complex of historical and art history and chemical- technological research , is not such a difficult thing for honest professionals . If there is no , as we now say , " motivation " of experts, with most things there is no particular difficulty in the plane of a modern forgery or authentic thing of its time.
  If a thing is "in time " , then enter into force the second plane reasoning - confirmation or denial of authorship. And in the second case, all these ripples -attributed to ..., the circle of .., in the manner of ... etc.
  And here, too, it all depends on the honesty and " unmotivated " experts.
  But what about those cases where the back door pulls machine goes "expert" , right in the trunk " explores " the work and wrote on the back of your photos " opinion." And this, incidentally , is an indulgence that protects the seller from fraud charges .
And to help in this case may not appeal to the honesty of experts - is too general and naive. May protect a written sales contract , clearly stipulated that a person buys , and that he sold.
  If you buy a painting contract Shishkin , and you later sold a copy or perelitsovannogo Fedorova or Welz , the deployment of an amicable transaction or back court.
It seems to me that this kind of scheme would be most preferred. A judge under the decision of the court would return the money received for their substandard work or even be honored and private definitions.

[Artem]

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But in the case of an error , will respond quite Roschin and not an expert - experts we can be wrong <! - ~ 1 ~ -> . Eg for spreading false information discrediting reputation - he's a fake if acknowledges the work to publish . <! - ~ 1 ~ -> , and this may not be so . Three directories - it's not all art is sold on the market, still ahead, directory does not document the way .

So you go to court that Rant on this subject. Interesting to see how this will end . I believe you something catalogs fakes hurt ... If so ... That all in your hands ! ..

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 But to your specific and direct question - why are you interested in recently questions relating exclusively fakes ? Not whether you have what the attitude to redistribution of the market expertise ? Soon there will be a new "place of examination " Are not your interest with this .
Or anything personal ! <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Much to my regret I do not have to do with it ( the redistribution of market expertise ) and why I'm interested in questions relating to forgery .... I will share with you a little later. OK.

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Now even in STG at personal exhibitions can be seen counterfeit publications even like that and not want to talk . And , gathering acknowledgments and dubious exhibitions - forgery , often sold over the years , that's no problem , " valetovskie " " Lentulova " early " Mashkov " why then whom are not necessary , despite the apparently low rates ,)

I wonder what purpose you are interested in fakes and are not afraid to assert so indiscriminately that THG at personal exhibitions you can see the fakes that the expert or you have confirmation from the experts your statements ... then specifically detailing .... but you will not do this because you and may sue and yet it may not be safe for health .... that's it! I have neither the time nor the inclination to engage in demagoguery about anything.

By the way here than something similar to interview Mr. Tairova with what you wrote.
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Archive version of the newspaper " Moskovsky Korrespondent "

In the CHA curse encyclopedia fakes

Elena Arbuzov. 15.04.2008 20:07:55

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English art critic dreams destroy the Russian antiques market hands Rossvyazokhrankultura

Oleg Tairov host gallery "Belvedere" - an antique dealer with twenty years . He stood at the origins of the Russian Antique Salon and knows about him such details , which we do not guess . However, according to Oleg, such facts should not be silenced . Especially in light of recent events .
 
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- Why do people ANTIQUES ?

- Good attachment. The most reliable. In the year gives 15-20 %profit. It's better than buying stocks or gold. Or currency .

- A love of art ?

- Collector auctions and showrooms God forbid 10%. Buy things for the rest of their liquidity .

often see

- MAJOR CUSTOMERS WHO in this auction ?

- Representatives of the middle class. Small and medium-sized businesses .

- oligarchy HAPPEN ?

- Only those who by force of circumstances tied to Russia and most of the time is here. Pyotr Aven , for example. We sometimes see it here . And celestials prefer to buy antiques abroad, at the famous Sotheby's auction type , Christie, Bonhams in England in Stockholm or Uppsala.

people stuffed

- WHY NOT AT HOME ?

- And now the West is not much " fight " for antiques and paintings. That's before when it became possible, auctions and antiques shops, caused a stir. Now people are " stuffed ." All have got what they wanted , and now taken from a passion for sport - to give back to the business. And yet , if we do our experts and purchases then mainly abroad . They believe that at home they will certainly deceived and vparil any forgery.

conditions of Play

- there were precedents ?

- Nobody is immune. And the fraud may vtyuhat and the West. To err is human . Besides the fundamental expertise is not cheap , and spend it only works for a very expensive - where the price is measured by six zeros . Generally buying antiques - this game is like the stock market. Man puts money without being absolutely sure to win . You either get a big jackpot or produesh . In the West, it's all know and accept the conditions of the game. Our same certainly need absolute guarantees . They believe that they can provide only in the West , and that in their native homeland necessarily deceived.

finally disappoint

- WHY so gloomy ?

- Thank encyclopedia fakes that whirlwind burst into life with antique country.

- a book that was presented on the opening day SALON ?

- The same . In fact it is well- planned action by the collapse of Russian antiques market .

- who's behind this ?

- Main interest belongs to those who publishes the encyclopedia - gallery "Triumph". Her owners Vladimir Zakharov Yemelyan Roschin and consist share with some English iskusstvovedshey that hit western road works on our market . Authors such as Hearst, Kunz , Ernst there are astronomically expensive, and no one takes them longer . But in Russia , they think people just pounce on these artists. But it does disappoint them completely in our artists . But how ? Of course , make sure that most of us Shishkin - it does not Shishkin , and, say , some muddy Pupkin . And so on . Note , they do it on purpose, because the current directory - this is the fourth edition, updated . The first edition went to three cheers , and goes after it . Paper can endure . These guys are careful and act wisely . Notice how they called his opus : "Caution : possible fake ." One word "possible" - and they have already guaranteed themselves from the proceedings. We like you just recommend , or rather do not recommend buying this one, and that this work , as they may be fakes. Everything seemed to be so innocent , his reputation tarnished our antique dealers , and we lose profit. Our business is simply worth .

Nobody rein

- WHY NOBODY THIS rein in "Triumph" ? Where to watch Rossvyazohrankulturu ?

- Oh, it - it is their main partner in this whole story . Officials want puffed out , to show himself a sort of fighters for the purity of the antique market . With that deep knowledge in the art of one of them , unfortunately, has not. It is an established fact.

- BUT THIS PRODUCT formed on the basis of some of the facts , is not it ?

- I'll tell you that his main compiler - a Vladimir A. Petrov , a former researcher at the Tretyakov Gallery , which was driven out for professional immorality .

- It turns out that these stores - unprofitable ?

- Exactly.

- WHY do you continue to participate in them ?

- By virtue of tradition and love of art . In addition, for each participant is a good advertising campaign is not cheap , of course. On average, participation in it costs us 20-30 thousand dollars. We charge to their " production costs ." http://www.nv-spravka.ru/megapolis/v...diju_poddelok/

[sergejnowo]

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categorical be easy, especially if you do not have to demand .

lack of direct demand from Vendor is the root of evil.
If a sober look at capitalism as the basic social and economic unit of the leading countries of the modern world, basically , for those or other benefits of the capitalist one against the other, is a hoax. That's cheating in any cover-up , as if these cover sweet indirectly called .
Expert , this weapon /method by which a seller for a certain amount of bullshit makes the original - is enriched through the hype .
Expert , as well as any man wants to live better and have more interest here , too, on the face.
However, if SELLER is not financially motivated expert , then the expert would have no interest to ascribe the status of originality bullshit .