Konstantin Savitsky Apollonovich "Kryuchnik" - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

serg468 · 07-10-2011, 23:14

Hello dear forum users !
Accidentally got a picture. The previous owners said they drew their grandfather . But I think that they just did not know. Family professorial (medicine), but the older generation is gone, but young people do not need anything . This is the background . The size of the picture 134h99 see an old canvas , see the edge of the picture, dubbed in the old canvas. There are small tears and abrasions of the canvas . In the lower right corner to read the date 1888. On the internet walks image " Kryuchnika " size 60h49 but see a slightly different execution. In the State Tretyakov Gallery is a pencil drawing in 1893 similar to the picture. I want to know your opinion on this work.

Кирилл Сызранский · 07-10-2011, 23:26

serg468, as for me - you have shown a thing - copy.

"Kryuchnik" - a thing at one time a popular, frequently reproduced, replicated:

Peter · 08-10-2011, 00:05

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzran

serg468, as for me , shown you a thing - copy.

You can also assume that you have a copy of the author or povtor.Tak as in the picture given year is likely to exist and the artist's signature , otherwise why only god.Esli study copy the famous painting , it has to be signed to a year and do not need ..

Игорь Гурьев · 08-10-2011, 01:04

Recalls the author's remark, moreover, that the background is different.

In general, it is, in my opinion, no worse than the original.

Кирилл Сызранский · 08-10-2011, 02:30

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Originally Posted by Guriev, Igor

Actually it is, in my opinion, no worse than the original.

Hand that's just right is not very well made, did not have the skills, apparently.

Игорь Гурьев · 08-10-2011, 02:49

Hand?

And in my opinion, the hand as the hand.

I-V · 08-10-2011, 03:03

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzran ; 1798603"

as for me , shown you a thing - a copy .

I agree with Kirill.

Alternately , carefully written down every part of the picture, but in the end the depth inherent in the original, no . This is perhaps the only drawback . This is a copy and a copy is very good. Nothing more. But at least , but ...

serg468 · 08-10-2011, 08:26

Thanks for the discussion.
I understand a little painting, and I can not argue.
But there are two purely technical issue.
Canvas dubbed, why?
If it is a copy, where the original?

Кирилл Сызранский · 08-10-2011, 09:48

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Originally Posted by serg468; 1798843"

If it is a copy , where the original?

You should see the location of the picture, once You have searched on the internet that " Keychains ":

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Originally Posted by serg468; 1798573"

On the internet walks image " Kryuchnika " size 60h49 but see a slightly different execution.

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Originally Posted by serg468; 1798843"

Canvas dubbed , why ?

"Duplication of the canvas " - a way of restoration which is used for thinning and with a strong decay of the canvas.

serg468 · 08-10-2011, 10:49

Weak responses.
In the Internet version of the "Keychains" in 1884 from a private collection, and I think the size is too small to Savitsky.
In this version of TG pictures in pencil in 1893 put up for discussion a version in oil in 1888 need more good arguments to keep smiling about the discovery.

07-10-2011, 23:14	Original language: Russian #1
serg468 Пользователь Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 44 Thanks: 6 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts Reputation: 10	Konstantin Savitsky Apollonovich "Kryuchnik" Hello dear forum users ! Accidentally got a picture. The previous owners said they drew their grandfather . But I think that they just did not know. Family professorial (medicine), but the older generation is gone, but young people do not need anything . This is the background . The size of the picture 134h99 see an old canvas , see the edge of the picture, dubbed in the old canvas. There are small tears and abrasions of the canvas . In the lower right corner to read the date 1888. On the internet walks image " Kryuchnika " size 60h49 but see a slightly different execution. In the State Tretyakov Gallery is a pencil drawing in 1893 similar to the picture. I want to know your opinion on this work.

08-10-2011, 01:04	Original language: Russian #4
Игорь Гурьев Гуру Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: город П. Posts: 4,939 Thanks: 6,544 Thanked 6,620 Times in 2,829 Posts Reputation: 13305	Recalls the author's remark, moreover, that the background is different. In general, it is, in my opinion, no worse than the original. Last edited by Игорь Гурьев; 08-10-2011 at 01:25.

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serg468 Пользователь Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 44 Thanks: 6 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts Reputation: 10	Thanks for the discussion. I understand a little painting, and I can not argue. But there are two purely technical issue. Canvas dubbed, why? If it is a copy, where the original?

08-10-2011, 10:49	Original language: Russian #10
serg468 Пользователь Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 44 Thanks: 6 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts Reputation: 10	Weak responses. In the Internet version of the "Keychains" in 1884 from a private collection, and I think the size is too small to Savitsky. In this version of TG pictures in pencil in 1893 put up for discussion a version in oil in 1888 need more good arguments to keep smiling about the discovery.