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serg468 07.10.2011 23:14

Konstantin Savitsky Apollonovich "Kryuchnik"
 
Hello dear forum users !
Accidentally got a picture. The previous owners said they drew their grandfather . But I think that they just did not know. Family professorial (medicine), but the older generation is gone, but young people do not need anything . This is the background . The size of the picture 134h99 see an old canvas , see the edge of the picture, dubbed in the old canvas. There are small tears and abrasions of the canvas . In the lower right corner to read the date 1888. On the internet walks image " Kryuchnika " size 60h49 but see a slightly different execution. In the State Tretyakov Gallery is a pencil drawing in 1893 similar to the picture. I want to know your opinion on this work.

Кирилл Сызранский 07.10.2011 23:26

serg468, as for me - you have shown a thing - copy.

"Kryuchnik" - a thing at one time a popular, frequently reproduced, replicated:

Peter 08.10.2011 00:05

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1798603)
serg468, as for me , shown you a thing - copy.

You can also assume that you have a copy of the author or povtor.Tak as in the picture given year is likely to exist and the artist's signature , otherwise why only god.Esli study copy the famous painting , it has to be signed to a year and do not need ..

Игорь Гурьев 08.10.2011 01:04

Recalls the author's remark, moreover, that the background is different.


In general, it is, in my opinion, no worse than the original.

Кирилл Сызранский 08.10.2011 02:30

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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor (Сообщение 1798683)
Actually it is, in my opinion, no worse than the original.

Hand that's just right is not very well made, did not have the skills, apparently.

Игорь Гурьев 08.10.2011 02:49

Hand?

And in my opinion, the hand as the hand.

I-V 08.10.2011 03:03

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 1798603"
as for me , shown you a thing - a copy .

I agree with Kirill.

Alternately , carefully written down every part of the picture, but in the end the depth inherent in the original, no . This is perhaps the only drawback . This is a copy and a copy is very good. Nothing more. But at least , but ...

serg468 08.10.2011 08:26

Thanks for the discussion.
I understand a little painting, and I can not argue.
But there are two purely technical issue.
Canvas dubbed, why?
If it is a copy, where the original?

Кирилл Сызранский 08.10.2011 09:48

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Сообщение от serg468; 1798843"
If it is a copy , where the original?

You should see the location of the picture, once You have searched on the internet that " Keychains ":
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Сообщение от serg468; 1798573"
On the internet walks image " Kryuchnika " size 60h49 but see a slightly different execution.

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Сообщение от serg468; 1798843"
Canvas dubbed , why ?

"Duplication of the canvas " - a way of restoration which is used for thinning and with a strong decay of the canvas.

serg468 08.10.2011 10:49

Weak responses.
In the Internet version of the "Keychains" in 1884 from a private collection, and I think the size is too small to Savitsky.
In this version of TG pictures in pencil in 1893 put up for discussion a version in oil in 1888 need more good arguments to keep smiling about the discovery.


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