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Благодаров 01.06.2011 22:57

Fyodor Petrovich Tolstoy?
 
Вложений: 7
Ask to speak about the small picture . By signing Count Fyodor Petrovich Tolstoy . Yes, and the manner . On dried leaf (which is a leaf I do not know ) a beautiful watercolor . In two places the leaf lightly come off . Do you think it's now or have reason to doubt it? Dimensions 05.24 x 18.75 cm photos are not the best quality , but many of them . :) >
Thanks in advance for your professional opinion .

Acland 02.06.2011 09:08

Tolstoy more classical, but it's too Biedermeier, and the very idea - kunstshtyuk some, like souvenirs.

Dogel 02.06.2011 10:07

Blagodaryov,


Sim salyabim!
Ahalan-mahalay!
Lyaski-masyaski!
- Signed!
just not him.
.
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Благодаров 03.06.2011 18:04

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Сообщение от Acland (Сообщение 1653773)
Tolstoy, more classical, but it's too Biedermeier, and the very idea - kunstshtyuk some, like souvenirs.


It is not clear.
Take the trouble to translate to "art history" language to Russian public.
And I would like to know your arguments.

Sincerely.

Кирилл Сызранский 03.06.2011 18:28

Вложений: 2
Blagodaryov, let yourself see what kind of watercolor by F. Tolstoy (and note the signature):

Благодаров 03.06.2011 20:22

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 1655511)
Blagodaryov, let yourself see what kind of watercolor by F. Tolstoy ( and note the signature ):

Thank you for participating in this thread . These pictures of course I saw in the internet . And a signature "cool " by using various computer programs . And imnno it led me to think that my student's signature , children or something . Is in flux . And the list of school herbarium also suggests that the may is very early work . Sorry for the year have not been delivered . I'm not saying just guessing . But certainly not a souvenir products . Status of paper and even within certain very old .

Кирилл Сызранский 03.06.2011 20:29

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Сообщение от Blagodaryov (Сообщение 1655631)
imnno And it led me to think that my student's signature , children or something .

And you have not had an idea that this is just someone clumsily attempted to sign the picture " by Fyodor Tolstoy ?
Got someone to this figure , that someone found a similar " in an Internet " twisted " by means of various computer programs " podisi and, as I could, signed this sheet . :) >

Благодаров 03.06.2011 20:49

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 1655651)
And you do not see the idea that it's just someone clumsily attempted to sign the picture " by Fyodor Tolstoy ?
Got someone to this figure , that someone found a similar " in an Internet " twisted " by means of various computer programs , " the signature and , as I could, signed this sheet . :)>

Everything is possible .... Many craftsmen .
However, the color of ink on the signature and the framing page ( double frame ) is identical , as it were burnt brown . I do not know maybe it is just those who were called walnut ink . But it's all from the discharge of assumptions .
Got this picture in a small Antiques in Europe . The seller said that it was them they have a long time. If verbatim : "I was 8 years when he came to the picture was . " No more information on the picture there .

Acland 04.06.2011 08:36

Oreshkova ink over time, only darker and even burn the paper through . Look , if she does not become thinner where written . Sometimes even the place of ink drop - and receive a hole on the paper in the form of letters . Note that the leaf and tropical butterfly . In Russia, the largest butterfly with tails on the wings are only two : Swallowtail and podaliry . There is clearly something southern . So it does not seem to put up your image has been created " in the language native aspens .

Тихая Сапа 04.06.2011 10:29

Not a fact .

Indeed Oreshkova inks have a high acidity , burning out over time, the paper , but if the ink is too thick , they may also fade . Burns will remain only in the area zatekov . A really good drawing paper to burn through the last 200 years ... to put it mildly , a very rare case. Often found similar documents in paper thin and very poor storage conditions.

I do not think that in this figure indicated the owner would see your characteristics .

(Although I also think that it's not Tolstoy )


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