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Amateur 14.04.2010 18:26

Question artists
 
Question artists. What is the sequence of writing the portrait if the model is very little time for posing?

Imagine a time of war, specifically Italy, November 1943. The artist should paint a portrait of a famous military commander in the rank of Army General (later Field Marshal will be), in his submission there are more than 120000 people. No big battles, but the local fighting - across the front line, besides preparing for large-scale offensive, which should begin next week. Frontline situation does not allow him to pay for photo opportunities and a half hours, and then called into question. Apparently, the full-length portrait of one and a half hours in any form is not enough. You would start by writing a short sketch, the sketch and if you get a good sitters and approve this, they would do a portrait (starting, naturally, with those for the form and so on. You can write and then). Or would do a portrait at once without thumbnails, saving time? Finish the portrait would still have to then, no longer a model. The responsibility is large, this general is known, it knows everything. Any error will be noticed. What would you do?

L-ana64110 14.04.2010 19:00

And the size of a canvas?
Get once butter exact Underpainting whole figure-only jeweler for sure! Then study the face. head. torso. And time is not too little. can be done.

Кирилл Сызранский 14.04.2010 19:36

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very well-known commander in the rank of Army General (later Field Marshal will),

Maybe Generalfeldmarschall der Flieger ? :)

Игорь Гурьев 14.04.2010 19:55

In such cases, takes his uniform, put on a man with a similar figure and written.
A person who writes from life.

Peter 14.04.2010 20:01

There were artists (can not remember the name) that the portrait from memory write better than nature, and better vyrazitelnee.A in this case, the artist could and photo of the general use and the risk that does not like menshe.Togda already in full use.

Amateur 14.04.2010 20:05

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And the size of a canvas?

Approximately 60x50 cm, portrait lap.

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Get right oil exact Underpainting whole figure-only jeweler for sure! Then study the face. head. torso.

Yes, I forgot to say that the artist of this man very close to this has ever seen. His face was very mobile, even in the photographs are often quite different, I would say trudnovosproizvodimoe.

And if you do as you said, at least Underpainting should be shown to the customer? What if the customer does not like it? Composition, perspective, lighting, posture model, turning heads, etc. - There are many factors to consider should be: a person knows his own worth.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1037812)
Maybe Generalfeldmarschall der Flieger?

This is a BL Montgomery.

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And in this case, the artist could and photo of the general use and the risk that not like menshe.Togda already in full use.

Here, this is not discussed.

Кирилл Сызранский 14.04.2010 20:12

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This is a BL Montgomery.

And I thought Albert Kesselring. :D

Jasmin 14.04.2010 20:15

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person writes with nature.

Yes, Comrade Guriev, from nature .:) "make a detailed pencil drawing as close to nature. The main thing is to face "the portrait" :) "came out like: military like everything to be exactly and accurately. The shape envisage, the basic contours. For everything 40 minutes, other times - for tea and conversation from the heart, while carefully studying the face during a call. All the details - in memory, given that the 43rd year, the war ... Then on the canvas.

Артём 14.04.2010 22:08

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What would you do?

Amateur, I would initially benefit planted it (a lot of time is not required) - Two of movement and all! - The nature of light and shade there is! Still, what format, profitable production, have time to grab a portrait from life. Background - the tone, too, need to grease! Go create an atmosphere. Merit can prescribe without it .:)

14.04.2010 22:14

If the photo can not figure it, if time allows, more study, and then - another model - in the desired position. In short, write a general with a soldier :)

nikola 14.04.2010 22:15

Gala portrait - it's not a problem for an experienced artist. Another thing psychological, in which case you should well know person whose draw.
It is important to always know - good works are not created by the artist, they are just born. No matter how you prepare and set to work, always of the hundreds
medium or decent work will only have one great. (Unless you're lucky)
And I was always and still is, amazing artists who are able to stop fast motion.
Images of animals, the movement of waves and so on. I find it difficult to understand.
question. And what eventually happened with your artist?

Amateur 14.04.2010 23:17

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question. And what eventually happened with your artist?

The result was a graphic portrait of feathering, executed in black and white chalk. Unfortunately, I could hardly get a not very high-quality reproductions (see 6). The artist Sam Morse-Brown (Sam Morse-Brown, 1903 - 2001). The original is in the Imperial War Museum (Imperial War Museum), London. It is considered one of the best portraits Montgomery: he wanted to keep it, but still had to give to the museum. This - not a front portrait, such portraits with Montgomery to write a lot (see for example, 7), even messing painting Dwight Eisenhower wrote it, but many - not very successful, a person is not caught. " Compare with its most famous photographs (see 1 - 5): Still a person is difficult to write.

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a picture, if time allows, more study, and then - another model - in the desired position.

So, perhaps it was. The fact that I have found a sketch of the portrait - an ordinary pencil drawing. But with the signature of the artist, but, more importantly, an autographed BL Montgomery. The fact that the artist from 1939 to 1945 created a gallery - about 200 portraits of heroes and leading commanders of the Second World War. A distinctive feature of them is that they are genuine autographs depicted persons. So I wanted to find a place in my sketch of this history.

Кирилл Сызранский 14.04.2010 23:33

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But the portrait of Boris Chaliapin.

U_Z 15.04.2010 00:14

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«Portrait of Marshal GK Zhukov Pavel Korin
 
P. Korin. "Portrait of Marshal Zhukov.
Oil. 1945.
 
The different artists see the world, each in its own picture of what we see by passing multicolored nature, unusual characters. And sometimes even dream to express something abstract: the life of the human spirit. Pavel Dmitrievich Korin sought "to reflect the rebellious, proud spirit of our people." And he painted landscapes native of Palekh, portraits of people famous and unknown, without ceasing to look at their fate, the manifestations of "the people's spirit. Among these works occupies a special place "Portrait of Marshal Zhukov." Moreover, even the creation of paintings - the event instructive.
 
It began during the Great Patriotic War, when Corin wrote a triptych "Alexander Nevsky", worthy of a place in the museum. But the force of the impact of the image created by the master, was such that the reproduction of "Alexander Nevsky" adorned the front dwelling, the soldiers of the newspaper. Huge copy of "Alexander", made by a group of soldiers who stormed the ancient Novgorod, was installed at its entrance. We walked to the west soldiers, and invited them to fight for the freedom of the legendary Russian commander. Thus, the art of expressing the "spirit of folk, fought. And now the year 1945. The Soviet flag over the Reichstag. In June, Pravda published a photo of our military commanders. Corinne cut it, and often considered: the idea came to write a group portrait-painting "Defence Committee". The experience of the artist knew that the design is embodied only in the work with nature. Hence, the time taken for the studies. In newspapers, magazines, radio is often commented on Marshal Zhukov. June 12 he was handed a third Gold Star of Hero of the Soviet Union, the 24 th he received the Victory Parade in Red Square.
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Perhaps Corinne recalled stories about the assault Seelow Heights - lines of Nazi defenses on the approaches to Berlin. Here, our command, headed by Zhukov has exercised a surprising tactic: the Germans knew that the Soviet army artillery preparation usually begins early in the morning, because it is more convenient for infantry and tanks to attack in daylight. And suddenly the darkness of the night cut the light of powerful searchlights. Blinded by the Nazis were confused, and our tanks and infantry attacks are objects visible. The enemy was defeated, the Soviet troops suffered minimal losses. About crafty maneuver Zhukov said a lot. The artist was thinking and unusual fate of the commander, past the path from student to skornyatskoy studio to the famous marshal. Perhaps there were other thoughts and reflections, but the conclusion is this: the first sketch for the painting to write with Georgi Konstantinovich.
 
In autumn 1945 Marshal and the artist met in Moscow. "Two or three sessions, you will probably be enough?" - Said Zhukov. "We have no less than fifteen and even twenty and a half hours. I relate to his work very seriously, just like you to his.
 
In Moscow, Zhukov pose could not - urgent business required his presence in Berlin grouping. But civilians in Germany has not yet allowed, and the marshal ordered to wear the uniform of a captain of the artist. Morning of October 16 Corinne flew to Berlin. A day later in a letter wrote: "Tomorrow at 12 am the first session. Last place in the winter, in December.
 
From the first sketches by persistently searching for the track of the portrait. A remarkable figure, made October 19: Zhukov sits openly posing. In the following figures Corinne accentuated the movements of the figures, which deprives her of forced posturing when relaxed.
 
Time allocated for work in a makeshift studio, is not enough. He painted Marshal wherever he could find. One aide Georgy Zhukov gave Korin photograph - Zhukov and Rokossovsky accept foreign delegations. With photo painter went to the commemorative meeting marking the anniversary of October. Zhukov was sitting in the presidium. Time to draw something! But the notebook in his pocket was not there. And the sketch was made on the back of the photograph ...
 
Composing, the author took into account the particular coloristic and construction. For example, a bright dress, multiple orders, medals demanded the maximum local background, but dynamic, able to withstand mottled colors.
 
For the portrait artist is not only important to draw a model, but to learn much of what affects the character, thinking of the portrait. And Corinne, following the tradition of full-scale, walked the ruined Berlin, among the ruins and remnants of defensive works, I imagined the recent ferocious battles, and read on the walls and columns of the Reichstag many inscriptions made by the soldiers were victorious.
 
Putting the last touch, Corinne showed a portrait of Zhukov. "I like it. And the face of the field. Thank you ".-" And what does the "field"? "- Asked the artist. "This is what happens on the battlefield", - said the marshal. Then took out the official form and wrote to the chairman of the Committee on the Arts: "My portrait ... I think, done well. It truly reflects reality. "
 
Study for the painting has outgrown the framework of the preparatory material. Portrait ranked among the masterpieces of Soviet portraiture. But sometimes you can hear that Corine carried away the grand marshal's party appearance, too much attention paid regalia. Is this true?
 
The artist could write a hero and not in full uniform, and in "working" in the everyday situation headquarters office. But the author's intent is clear-to create a portrait front. Not because it marks valor Corinne wrote with so much attention? They have a visible life of military glory. The portrait of orders, medals flashing all the colors of the rainbow - a fireworks display, fireworks Victory! And contrast them chased, black and white in color face.
 
If we look at the photograph of Marshal, made during the signing of the act of unconditional surrender of Germany, we see compressed lips and knitted brows man, the whole appearance of which suggests a certain excitement and stimulation. In the portrait is deleted all accidental. Thoughtfully and calmly face the commander. Tight folds of those corners of her lips pursed, expansion eyebrows, high forehead - this is the image of the maximum collected, energetic, image organizer, capable of light weight, to win over.
 
The meaning of a color portrait of the solution is revealed more in comparison with other works on similar topics, and especially with the triptych "Alexander Nevsky". In his portrayal of the legendary hero of intense sound red and black and blue colors, gold and silver.
 
Corinne has repeatedly said that the art began to engage in "a calling, but by birth as a matter of ancestral inheritance." However wrong to think that Paul D. mechanically transferred to the modern techniques of icon painting portrait. The only thing the author unequivocally followed the tradition - in an effort to fill the image of spirituality and grandeur. Even in reproduction palpable monumental work, has adopted special quality artistic content - to connect a large civilian thought and perfect plastic form.
 
Extensive and varied portrait work Corina PD. His works reveal the image of a contemporary, enjoyed broad popularity. But, as the artist himself, painting, devoted to Marshal Zhukov - the only portrait, which he did not want to leave, which he gladly would have left at home.
 
Knowing the attitude of the artist's portrait, the mood, which owned by the author during the creation of paintings, the widow of the wonderful wizard Praskovya Tikhonovna Corina recalls:
 
- Portrait of Marshal Zhukov - one of the best works of the artist.
 
There is no single colorless, indifferent strokes. This work confirmed the words of Paul Dmitrievich Korin, who had heard from him again: a picture of the artist must know the effect of each stroke, they are laid, responsible for each line, they carried out for each circuit for each silhouette - will need to find them, they create . More importantly - that there was no "hand of sleeping.
 
The essence of the portrait of Zhukov is not limited resemblance, although it absolutely. In the product can hear the thunder of war and the echo of the Victory, it embodies the pride of the people who faithfully believed in the triumph of good. The image has a specific personality portrait of an era.

Игорь Гурьев 15.04.2010 00:58

Comrade
Amateur, is the graphic work that you have, there is no feeling that it is from nature, in my opinion, done slowly, at home, on the outline.

One of them might be, and you?


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