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John Preston 22.09.2008 04:05

Вложений: 7
Hello, dear forum users!
How much should this job cost in case of confirmation of authorship?
Size - 65 to 81 cm, requires restoration.
A signature is not quite similar to the reference.
Maybe "zalipuha - perelitsovka?

Евгений 22.09.2008 06:52

AP Bogolyubov (1824-1896). Ship
 
Bogolyubov - founder of the Saratov State Museum
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...mp;postcount=7
In the catalog of more than 200 of his works.
Naturally with the Saratov experts and have nachinat.Stoimost painting is the second time, but if true, is very expensive ..

Тютчев 22.09.2008 07:31

Dear John I understand you still interested in opinions of the forum on the authenticity of the picture. In my opinion (in this case) enough pictures that would understand that this work can not belong to the brush Alexei Petrovich Bogolyubov. Written this thing is very weak and at the first Comparing (even with the early work) can not withstand any criticism of either. Bogolyubov was an academician and the owner of a large gold medal (it was a very serious and the least numerous campaign). In 1953 Alexei Petrovich on orders from the highest appointed artist Sea Lord. He had a very close relationship with the family of the Russian emperor. He made friends with Turgenev and fruitful contact with barbizontsami (which are very highly valued his work). A comparison of these facts and pictures are very difficult to believe in this picture. As the price of the genuine work of AP Hierarchy of the same size and the plot then the price should be somewhere around $ 1.000.000-$ 1.500.000. That's my opinion.

Евгений 22.09.2008 07:57

AP Bogolyubov (1824-1896). Ship
 
Цитата:

Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 59556)
Maybe "zalipuha - perelitsovka??

If this build, why bother to show work? (In this section?)
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Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 59556)
Signature is not quite similar to the reference.

This is not the basis of attribution.
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Сообщение от Tjutchev (Сообщение 59606)
In my opinion (in this case) enough pictures,

So just to scare John Preston but do not.
Looked catalog Saratov Museum (especially the small works), there are many weak t.ch.nado works quietly to the attribution ...

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Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 59556)
Signature is not quite similar to the reference.

Where are you watching?
In the directory http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...mp;postcount=7: № 85, № 199, № 220 signatures almost like ...

John Preston 22.09.2008 10:10

Where are you watching?
In the directory http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...mp;postcount=7: № 85, № 199, № 220 signatures almost like ...[/QUOTE]

I watched "The catalog of painting XVIII-XX centuries" State Tretyakov Gallery in 1952 in its 3 variants of the signature, with a large preload is like only one ...

uriart 22.09.2008 10:23

Guys!
Hope is not even the fact that it Bogolyubov!
I have not written before, because quite been sure the mentioned words!

Евгений 22.09.2008 10:39

John Preston, If there is 1 chance in 100 and then check .. canvas stretcher old t.ch.ne everything here is clear ..

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Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 59756)
I watched "The catalog of painting XVIII-XX centuries" State Tretyakov Gallery in 1952 in its 3 variants of the signature, with a large preload is like only one ...

We must look more complete catalog of hierarchy.

Meister 22.09.2008 11:01

John Preston, take a look at ... If the provenance of the series: "whole life was hanging by her grandmother" quietly smile, give back, and do not even think about it ...

Евгений 22.09.2008 11:08

John Preston, Yes Meister, rights, provenance, we did not hear ..

John Preston 22.09.2008 22:29

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 59906)
John Preston, Yes Meister, rights, provenance, we did not hear ..

Provenance me so far and most are not known.
I contact a dealer in France, offering me this picture to see him, but he has not replied to me ...

SergeiSK 22.09.2008 22:38

John Preston,
Working with the auction or dealer offers private?

John Preston 23.09.2008 00:12

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Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 60506)
John Preston,
Working with the auction or dealer offers private?

Private ...

SergeiSK 23.09.2008 00:26

John Preston,
Buy absentia is always a risk ... But we know - nothing ventured ....
You are given the correct advice - let the dealer write provenance of this picture, it is desirable to know who she was before. It is also desirable that the dealer, but there the best art critic described it in detail, a gap in the UV-rays, etc., ie, made an initial inspection and description. If the dealer wants to sell now, then he will do it.
I bought in absentia in France, the Russian artist now the 19 th century. At my request, all of the above made the expert from the Louvre. Especially liked the fact that at the beginning of the description he gave his entire biography, work experience, what, where and when finished, and that his father was also an expert restorer at the Louvre the same:)
I was in your picture is one troubling - the signature is absolutely identical to the model of the signature contained in the directory hierarchy Soloviev (p.48). Simply twins signature. It's more bad than good. Although I may be wrong ...

Тютчев 23.09.2008 00:35

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Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 60716)
John Preston,
Buy absentia is always a risk ... But we know - nothing ventured ....
You are given the correct advice - let the dealer write provenance of this picture, it is desirable to know who she was before. It is also desirable that the dealer, but there the best art critic described it in detail, a gap in the UV-rays, etc., ie, made an initial inspection and description. If the dealer wants to sell now, then he will do it.
I bought in absentia in France, the Russian artist now the 19 th century. At my request, all of the above made the expert from the Louvre. Especially liked the fact that at the beginning of the description he gave his entire biography, work experience, what, where and when finished, and that his father was also an expert restorer at the Louvre the same:)
I was in your picture is one troubling - the signature is absolutely identical to the model of the signature contained in the directory hierarchy Soloviev (p.48). Simply twins signature. It's more bad than good. Although I may be wrong ...

You are not mistaken. Unfortunately. Everything else is too logical. Let him do due diligence and do not fool our John. Dodger!: Mad:

uriart 23.09.2008 07:26

Ah, those French dealers, traders!
They like to hear Russian speech, immediately submit their pockets full of euros!
And will you cajole and sweet singing voice! As Sirens of myth of Odysseus. And then devour! In the sense of your money, and you never see them again ever (money!). But the memory remains the picture of dubious origin.
Not teshte myself that this Bogolyubov!
There, all roads are open to all auction houses!
And why sell the work for cheap Russian, if you can sell at auction for expensive, again, the same Russian.
I once went to one aukts.dom before selling and asked to sell me a job. Estimate was 2-2500evro. I asked him immediately ready cash 50 000. He did not return. Started telling me stories about different customs, etc.
At the auction, I stopped at $ 103 000. The work was sold for 110 000 euros.
Do you believe different tales?
Blessed is he who believes!


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