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oleg35 29.12.2009 00:01

John the Baptist
 
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Good evening. Tell me, please, whose school, what age? Size 31h26, 5x2, 7 cm

mihailovoh 29.12.2009 18:20

oleg35,
Very bad vidno.pohozhe 18b. Podokladnitsa.povolzhe.ne prfissionalno restoration in 19-20.bolshoy values not predstavlyaet.Nadpis back at least interesting?

redbor 29.12.2009 23:12

18 th to the restoration of the 19 th.
Updated in the early 21 st

Adulter_com 30.12.2009 11:06

John the Baptist
 
The subject of a serious collector's value. Kostroma and Yaroslavl, 17-18 century. It is a pity not preserved basmenny original piece on the fields and the crown. Speculation about the late updates hypothetical.

smoker 30.12.2009 11:09

I think icon 17-18 century. Rather, 18. One of the occasional variations bringeth.
Beautiful icon. Basma was probably silver.
mihailovoh, it seems that the inscription there is not an interesting :D

Кирилл Сызранский 30.12.2009 11:18

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Сообщение от Adulter_com (Сообщение 825552)
Speculation about the late updates hypothetical.

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Сообщение от smoker (Сообщение 825562)
think that the inscription there is not interesting

This is not speculation, but the inscription is a mark of iconographer ponovleniyah.
Is it not you know?
About 17-18 here trying to say something, and the posts of things do you know?

smoker 30.12.2009 11:24

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 825602)
Inscriptions and have a mark on the icon painter ponovleniyah.

Not always.
Cyril Syzransky, I hope you like the real pros tell me information about what kind of ponovleniyah contains an inscription on the back of this icon?

Кирилл Сызранский 30.12.2009 11:34

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Сообщение от smoker (Сообщение 825622)
I hope you like the real pros tell me information about what kind of ponovleniyah contains an inscription on the back of this icon?

Do not hope, I will not break the eyes, I do not.
I can only say that the beginning of the text on the back of the job-iconographer (-tsam) on escarpment, and finishes it, as a rule, address or coordinates on modern, owner of the icons of the customer.
By the way, these records can often be seen whether spemzovana previous record.
You better yourself then tell about it, "infrequent" brings forth, enlighten.
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Сообщение от smoker (Сообщение 825562)
One of the occasional variations bringeth.


smoker 30.12.2009 11:53

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 825632)
Do not hope, I will not break the eyes, I do not.
I can only say that the beginning of the text on the back of the job-iconographer (-tsam) on escarpment, and finishes it, as a rule, address (or coordinates on modern), the owner of the icons of the customer.
By the way, these records can often be seen whether spemzovana previous record.
You better yourself then tell about it, "infrequent" brings forth, enlighten.

Breaking eyes certainly do not need :D
Especially about the restoration of the icons say only special characters. And no inscriptions. And in various workshops have taken several signs. But the principle is always the same. On this icon, I see no such signs.
By bringeth forth - the scroll and bowl are in different hands the Baptist. Most common theme when the scroll and bowl are in the same (left) hand of the Prophet John.

Кирилл Сызранский 30.12.2009 11:59

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Сообщение от smoker (Сообщение 825682)
In most common theme when the scroll and bowl are in the same (left) hand of the Prophet John.

Yes, right cross, but such is.
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Сообщение от smoker (Сообщение 825682)
The more about the restoration of the icons say only special characters.

Special signs, talk about full ponovleniyah, recordings, and the order of odelnym escarpment, gilding, etc., are prescribed on the back, or rather scratched.

Adulter_com 30.12.2009 12:02

John the Baptist
 
Signs on the back is the "features and Reza", indicating a solid ponovleniya with pemzovkoy or partial. They are available here. Present Possessory only inscriptions, presumably the Old Believers meeting or prayer. Explain Deesis Baptist images with a scroll, bowl and wings at the same time not so frequent.

Кирилл Сызранский 30.12.2009 12:07

I do not understand you, smoker and Adulter_com, owners of the icons? Before selling, PR?
Then silent, sell ...

redbor 30.12.2009 16:25

Iconography - certainly a rare and beautiful.
But the very icon looks "suspicious."
In the 21 century about the update to the back of the icons are not noted. And they are visible.
Impression - new paint and artificial cracelures on the face.
And so on ...

smoker 30.12.2009 17:00

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 825742)
smoker and Adulter_com, owners of the icon?

Ah, if (answer only for myself :)).
redbor, about the modern ponovleniya difficult to speak of the photo, I would not. Now if only the icon in the hands of povertet.

In general all forumchan on coming!

SAH 30.12.2009 17:44

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Сообщение от redbor (Сообщение 826122)
new paint and artificial cracelures on the face

How do you make out there is :shy:


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