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Марина13 15.08.2009 19:03

Painting on metal, offering advice
 
Вложений: 2
Fragment of painting "Last Supper" done on zinc butter in a side light. Most likely this is a piece of the iconostasis. Across the surface of strong deformation on the mechanical effects of a sharp object on the reverse side. Paint in these places was preserved. I need advice as to align the deformation without damaging the paint layer. If someone faced with the - help, I will be grateful))))

Черномашенцев Владимир 15.08.2009 21:08

From the perspective of an expert on construction
 
1) It is impossible to bend sheet metal back, if not exert pressure on the opposite side. If you knock on the front side - just corrupt the paint.

2) Or, drilled small holes in the steel wire that passes and try to pull the bulge back. The wire is attached with the front side with a steel ball or do loop, which pass through a very brief piece of steel wire. If you pull a solid, relatively thick wire (1 mm), then bends her end of the L-shaped 2-3 mm. Or use the corresponding L-shaped tool. Is that clear?
This method provides no guarantees of full alignment, will necessarily uneven, but the smaller size. In the process of extraction can be damaged paint a diameter of several mm. from the hole. Hole-mask will restore.

3) I have carefully removed fragmented paint layer. Then he would calmly arched sheet and stuck a piece back.

Question: Judging by the photo, work has already been decimated. If it will be fully restarirovat, redraw - the loss of even one small piece is almost invisible. Is there any historical value of the sheet metal? It may be easier to draw a new picture, and leave it as a sample?

NATA NOVA 15.08.2009 21:25

I would not be touched at all. (Easier to make a new zinc)

Черномашенцев Владимир 15.08.2009 21:29

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 552206)
I would not be touched at all. (Easier to make a new zinc)


For zinc metal and require special primers - primers.

NATA NOVA 15.08.2009 22:24

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir (Сообщение 552226)
For zinc metal and require special primers - primers.

Chito vie mean? Once I was on a metal tray (stainless) palette divorced-so-so withered that so far I can not peel (you can give me the recipe?)

Черномашенцев Владимир 15.08.2009 22:27

It's one of the "laws of the sandwich. I myself came up with:

"Cement has a habit easy to keep up with surfaces that are long and carefully prepared for work. But kept tightly wherever accidentally sprayed."

That's about the paint from your tray can be paraphrased.

Евгений 16.08.2009 06:24

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Сообщение от Marina13 (Сообщение 551756)
I need advice as to align the deformation

Professional restorers are like no, but a serious question.
NATA NOVA, Chernomashentsev Vladimir,-people are very far from the Restoration (listen to their advice does not make sense).
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You better go to a specialized site (where collected restorers), there is a forum where you can ask a question.
Site dedicated to the art of restoration and everything connected with it. http://www.art-con.ru/

Марина13 16.08.2009 09:56

Thank you friends))) I will try all the same it vyrovnyat.Potom show what happens:)

Черномашенцев Владимир 16.08.2009 21:53

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 552606)
Chernomashentsev Vladimir, "people are very far from the restoration

I agree with this statement. I have this and entered in the title of your post. For me you can pay attention only with regard to the alignment of the sheet of iron - as I understand it, this is the main problem. Judging by the questions posed.

Евгений 17.08.2009 08:09

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir (Сообщение 553046)
With regard to alignment of the sheet of iron - as I understand it, this is the main problem.

The main problem is to keep painting ..

K-Maler 17.08.2009 19:10

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Сообщение от Marina13 (Сообщение 551756)
paint in these places was preserved. I need advice as to align the deformation without damaging the paint layer.

I give "artistic" sovet.Podumayte how to fix what's left and then save it as the original, it will have museum value. If it was desirable to "restore" for the church, it is best to print and finish in any material and size. Straighten impossible without spoiling everything. The surface of the metal for better adhesion previously rubbed garlic juice. He instigated and mold. This picture is not subject to restoration, because half of the painting is not, if will adds a gag ... We just build.

nikola 23.08.2009 09:06

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Сообщение от Marina13 (Сообщение 551756)
I need advice as to align the deformation without damaging the paint layer. If someone faced with the - help, I will be grateful))))

Not only extremely professional artist will do painting on metal or the artist knows in advance that makes the "makeshift" That's why you should not bother is not an issue.
And if you strongly want. Necessary (as in the case with canvas) to glue on the paint layer of tissue paper. (isinglass) in this case the particles of paint remain on paper, and they can be restored to its original location.
In my opinion the cost of your items exactly 10-15 thousand rubles, and there is no point in applying so much work for the restoration.

Кирилл Сызранский 23.08.2009 09:11

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Сообщение от nikola (Сообщение 565546)
is not only extremely professional artist will do painting on metal

There are a lot of icons on the metal.
It is believed that this marine icons. Metal is not susceptible to moisture and frequent temperature fluctuations. But the icon was a utilitarian thing in those days, would have come into disrepair, would be replaced.

Марина13 23.08.2009 11:17

It was a piece of the iconostasis, the Last Supper is always the royal Vratami.Seychas trying to find out how much tserkvi.Ya temple icons on a metal saw.
:):):)
Deformations I straightened:) was applied to the paint layer is thick mastic that is not a big show, from top to put a flat piece of wood and a hammer tapping half an hour. Then the paste was removed and the paint on the spot, and hillocks was gone;)
Фоты later lay out

Кирилл Сызранский 23.08.2009 11:24

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Сообщение от Marina13 (Сообщение 565636)
hillocks is gone

Cool.
Metal-Copper?


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