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uriart 27.12.2013 19:25

Aivazovsky?
 
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Oil on canvas - 64h98 cm

Write that is attributed as Aivazovsky.

What do gameday in this regard?

мистер-у 27.12.2013 20:02

My opinion is not Ayvazovskiy.S same plot but polutorometrovaya work was with us in the cabin, but the painting was better.

Николай Левенко 27.12.2013 20:42

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Сообщение от uriart; 2918061"
Write that is attributed as Aivazovsky .
What do gameday in this regard ?

Think it Aivazovsky . "Black Sea . Storm ." Last forty years, traces this lost, but she reappeared . In 1974, in his book " RUSSIAN PAINTING In Assembly of Czechoslovakia " by Vladimir Fiala wrote the following about this work : " Black Sea. Storm " , whereabouts unknown . There is color reproduction , published at " Farm" in the 1930s . By some accounts is the work that Yu Repin sent from Finland Prague merchant Stefanovich. Above postcard is attached.

Артём 28.12.2013 12:05

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Сообщение от Nikolai Levenko ; 2918251"
the last forty years, traces of this lost, but she reappeared . In 1974, in his book " RUSSIAN PAINTING In Assembly of Czechoslovakia " by Vladimir Fiala wrote the following about this work

Wonderful provenance to make a fake. The man with the help of modern technology imposes an accurate portrayal of the canvas and zero writes . But let what you do not know how to make greeting cards (pictures) in the beginning, mid-20th century ? It was quite arbitrary image . Here Aivazovsky painting "Rainbow" and this card ( photo 1,2). Well the difference is noticeable .)))
Besides, at overlaying picture postcard represented 100%coincidence, except signatures . And because the signature at a certain angle it is very difficult to put right. You can put a dab wrong and no one will notice , and your signature is required thoroughness , there will be an error and immediately visible and can be seen here it is . If we compare the mast of a ship that doubles signature , if we compare the signature that doubles ship ( photo 2 , 4 ), despite the fact that out , I repeat , is the same .
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Сообщение от uriart; 2918061"
What do gameday in this regard ?

I think a good move with old postcards and pictures of lost , but you must know the technique and Ivan Aivazovsky , and many cards , let them think of other cards , such as ( photo 5 ) . Incidentally , cards must be stamped , otherwise the so-called Pictures, and not cards - http://www.playle.com/realphoto/photoall.php.

Кирилл Сызранский 28.12.2013 12:44

About technique by copying the card will not be there , as you rightly said , even the technique of making this card it is necessary to take into account , but it did not quite understand :
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Сообщение от Artem ; 2918861"
Incidentally , cards must be stamped , otherwise the so-called Pictures, and not cards - http://www.playle.com/realphoto/photoall.php.

shown on side [/URL] (" open" ) and written - open letter , hence the very name of these letters - card.

Артём 28.12.2013 14:41

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2918891"
also the technique of making the most cards should be taken into account

So that's the thing . Old postcard - it's not a picture, but here it just stripped .

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2918891"
that's not quite understand

Well that's another topic - philocarty. This systematize gatherers , with prized stamp cards, besides on it can authenticate . Ie profsleng - card or picture . But it does not matter , they do not look like a real painting.

Кирилл Сызранский 28.12.2013 14:50

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Сообщение от Artem (Сообщение 2918981)

Well that's another topic - philocarty. This systematize gatherers , with prized stamp cards, besides on it can authenticate . Ie profsleng - card or picture . But it does not matter , they do not look like a real painting .

Profslenga not know , but I know what card [/URL].

Артём 28.12.2013 15:47

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2919001)
And what you call "stamp" on the card did not understand.

That is what gave the link above, one of the sites, which gives a list of the most famous stamps on the back of cards with information on estimated date of publication: http://www.playle.com/realphoto/photoall.php

Николай Левенко 28.12.2013 15:53

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Сообщение от Artem ; 2918861 "
You can put a dab wrong and no one will notice , and your signature is required thoroughness ,

Scrupulous needed at all, but better and does not take up a fake paintings by famous artists. Only a naive artist , who praised by flattery or by their narrow-mindedness in the field of painting , can imagined that he equated to the great , and it looks funny side . As for the cards , then I mentioned this postcard because it alluded to Vladimir Fiala . Incidentally, Aivazovsky more than anyone else not lucky with colored cards , most of them published in the series " Sh Copies Kartin Russkih GALLERIA" , which did not remotely resemble the original. For example, poor quality black and white card and a color copy . Check the method of superposition is not required.

Кирилл Сызранский 28.12.2013 16:04

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Сообщение от Artem (Сообщение 2919101)
So what gave the link above, one of the sites, which gives a list of the most famous stamps on the back of cards with information on estimated date of publication

And if there is no such stamp, but there output?

Артём 28.12.2013 16:13

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Сообщение от Nikolai Levenko ; 2919121"
Incidentally, Aivazovsky more than anyone else not lucky with colored cards

That's right.
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2918891"
" SVEZHAK " undergo chemical and technological expertise will not be easy .

Not easy, but possible if the price is good . And the price is good if it is a good provenance and the halo effect . Then we can and spend the necessary materials , such as , for example , oven, halogen and pigments. Guess who does it seriously all this technology and materials have known . And do this job professionally without relying on bad cards.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2919141"
And if there is no such stamp , but there is the output ?

Cards - this is a separate issue. There as well as in painting there are originals and forgeries. Where was released , what city stamp worth , if passed in an envelope , then without a stamp , and mail costs less because of it , where, how, to whom, and so on. Let's leave the collectors cards. Here we discuss the bad image that supposedly provenance . My opinion - it's very hlibko and that it and the picture was taken .

Николай Левенко 28.12.2013 17:04

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Сообщение от Artem ; 2919171"
My opinion - it's very hlibko and that it and the picture was made .

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Сообщение от Artem ; 2919151"
And do this job professionally without relying on bad cards.

Artem , you contradict yourself by saying that some experts professionally produced copies without relying on bad cards, and here uverzhdaete that discussed above picture , in your opinion , made ​​it on a postcard.

Кирилл Сызранский 28.12.2013 17:10

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Сообщение от Artem ; 2919171"
Where was released , what city stamp worth , if passed in an envelope , then without a stamp , and mail costs less because of it , where, how, to whom, and so on .

Wait, so you by the word " die " mean stamp mail? Card has passed through the mail from her marks ?

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Сообщение от Artem ; 2919171"
cards - this is a separate issue.

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Сообщение от Artem ; 2919171"
Let's leave collectors cards .

Russian pre-revolutionary painting postcards - great support material for attribution, and often in the post- only .
By painting postcards resort experts , collectors , dealers, at the forum often laid their scans .
However, you can about them and not say , really.

Артём 28.12.2013 17:55

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Сообщение от Nikolai Levenko ; 2919191"
Artem , you contradict yourself by saying that some experts professionally produced copies without relying on bad cards, and here uverzhdaete that discussed above picture , in your opinion , made ​​it on a postcard .

Where do you see the contradiction ? On a postcard, because did not professional.
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2919231"
pre-revolutionary Russian postcard with painting - great support material for attribution

Yes , postcards, but these pictures that I brought in examples. I gave an example in the post card and 4 Aivazovsky painting which judge will adopt such a card? Or you can put the question another way - the picture may be because we have a postcard . But this does not mean that the card should be repeated in nulevku picture.
Say even easier. On these cards are very primitive image , Aivazovsky much harder to paint people portrayed primitive out . Once again the difference in the card and painting show ? Can be other examples.

Кирилл Сызранский 28.12.2013 18:08

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Сообщение от Artem (Сообщение 2919261)
what the expert will adopt a postcard?

Any if the image is a single image on a postcard picture.


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