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Anna1982 15.10.2013 13:58

Help to establish the authorship!
 
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Dear experts ( to let you go so ) ! Please help us to identify the author of this piece ! We only know that the watercolor paper was imported from Germany. Perhaps it was written by a French or German master the mid 19th century. At the bottom there is a stamp of the Royal Prussian Academy of the Arts (as I understand) and the inscription in red pencil . But the authorship Demuretta doubt .
Stamp : "KGL. Kunst-Akademie
            Borgerloh'sche Stiftung
            In Königsberg PR. "

Thank you in advance for your help!

sergejnowo 15.10.2013 14:10

for me, the remake.

Беляш 15.10.2013 17:28

For me, not a remake, the first half of the 20th century

sergejnowo 15.10.2013 18:43

the existence of the organization or the collection , Borgerloh'sche Stiftung der Kgl. Kunst-Akademie, never registered.
Google proof. There is the most complete collection of stamps in the world of art , Les marques de collections de dessins & d'estampes, collected Frits Lugt.
They collected stamps of various collections in the world of art. There are no print of this .
Weakly imagine collector who puts a stamp on the front side of the work , but still almost on the initials of the artist.
Perceive the story as a caricature , but to me it is not clear from what times and places have been collected attributes such as clothing soldier , his weapons and a silhouette of a warship in the background.
And so, in general , «Tout va très bien, Madame la Marquise»

Кирилл Сызранский 15.10.2013 19:00

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Сообщение от sergejnowo; 2807411 "
interprets the story as a caricature , but to me it is not clear from what times and places have been collected attributes such as clothing soldier , his weapons and a silhouette of a warship in the background .

Fantasy, as the saying goes : " English uniform , epaulettes Russian , Japanese tobacco , the governor of Omsk ".
I do not know about tobacco and rifle reminded the Japanese Arisaka Type 38 or the German Mauser Gewehr 98.
Cap is a fighter like Northerners during the Civil War.

bykinist 15.10.2013 19:04

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 2807441)

Cap is a fighter like ...


and the calf he, like a camel's hoof))

Кирилл Сызранский 15.10.2013 19:13

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Сообщение от bykinist (Сообщение 2807451)
shin and he, like a camel's hoof))


On his legs socks or leggings /gamache.

Anna1982 15.10.2013 20:02

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 2807001)
For me, a remake.


This work is not new, it really was brought from Germany.

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 2807411)
existence of the organization or the collection , Borgerloh'sche Stiftung der Kgl. Kunst-Akademie, never registered.
Google proof. There is the most complete collection of stamps in the world of art , Les marques de collections de dessins & d'estampes, collected Frits Lugt.
They collected stamps of various collections in the world of art. There are no print of this .
Weakly imagine collector who puts a stamp on the front side of the work , but still almost on the initials of the artist

According to my research work is in the collection of Koenigsberg Academy of Arts , so as the Internet you can find works from the same stamp . As Google says, Konigsberg Academy of Arts (German Kunstakademie Königsberg) - an educational institution in Königsberg (now - Kaliningrad) that existed prior to January 1945 .

Борис Кон 15.10.2013 20:09

In the background is not a timber ship.

Soldier - amerikosy, the Civil War.

The work of the late XIX early XX century.

The proportions of deliberately not complied with.

Anna1982 15.10.2013 20:30

Dear friends , I express my gratitude to all for the quick response! Your opinion is important to me.

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Сообщение от Boris Cohn (Сообщение 2807631)
In the background is not a timber ship .
Soldier - amerikosy , the Civil War.
The work of the late XIX early XX century.
The proportions of deliberately not complied with .

Dear Boris , you are right ! Praportsii deliberately not sablyudeny . I also like the image of the soldier war a war of late XIX - early XX century. Perhaps the artist is not randomly chosen this theme. And in the background , I think, all the same ship.
But I'm more concerned about whether you can establish the authorship of this work?
I read about the Academy , about the fate of her collection. And I have the assumption that the work is written or the apprentice academy, or is it acquired for its collection. Therefore agree with sergejnowo, not everyone could afford to put a stamp on the product .

U_Z 16.10.2013 03:40

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Сообщение от Boris Cohn (Сообщение 2807631)
In the background is not a timber ship.

Soldier - amerikosy, the Civil War.

The work of the late XIX early XX century.

The proportions of deliberately not complied with.


Boris Cohn, You're wrong - a remake, but you have a point and - forest <! - ~ 1 ~ ->.

Anna1982 16.10.2013 08:59

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Сообщение от U_Z (Сообщение 2808161)
Boris Cohn , You're wrong - a remake , but you have a point and - forest < ! - ~ 1 ~ ->.

Good day to all! I want to make it clear that the work is really old , as in the war years was removed from Kaliningrad. The product of the original , it is in the museum collection . But I do not have the right to say which one. The fact is that for many years failed to establish authorship . On that decided to write to you with the hope that will help . I would be grateful for any information !

Балагур 16.10.2013 09:34

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Сообщение от Anna1982 (Сообщение 2806991)
Dear experts ( to let you go so ) ! Please help us to identify the author of this piece ! We only know that the watercolor paper was imported from Germany. Perhaps it was written by a French or German master the mid 19th century. At the bottom there is a stamp of the Royal Prussian Academy of the Arts (as I understand) and the inscription in red pencil . But the authorship Demuretta doubt .
Stamp : "KGL. Kunst-Akademie
            Borgerloh'sche Stiftung
            In Königsberg PR. "

Thank you in advance for your help !

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Anna1982 16.10.2013 09:49

Dear Balagur, on the Internet somehow got me to the work of this artist's stamped on the back.
But now I can not access the page with the photo of the stamp.

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Years of the Academy (Kunstakademie Königsberg): 1845 - 1945 .
Work , I think, came to the meeting of the Academy during this period. But, judging by military clothes , she says , or at the end of the 19th or early 20th century.
Here she found the costume of the French army military :
" French foot ranger in battle dress and with full gear (from the album of lithographs Armée française et armée russe, published in Paris in 1888 ) ."
Link to website : http://www.grafika.ru/catalog/s20845/e54240/

Anna1982 16.10.2013 10:06

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Years of the Academy (Kunstakademie Königsberg): 1845 - 1945 .
Work , I think, came to the meeting of the Academy during this period. But, judging by military clothing, it is written , or at the end of the 19th or early 20th century.
Here she found the costume of the French army military :
" French foot ranger in battle dress and with full gear (from the album of lithographs Armée française et armée russe, published in Paris in 1888 ) ."

And there's one more photo .

Link to website : http://www.grafika.ru/catalog/s20845/e54240/


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