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kropotkina-o 20.02.2009 14:55

Copyright recurrence
 
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Dear forum users, here are laid out several works, as you see it different variants of the same paintings. It's no secret that auctions often exhibited paintings, which are already known from museum and private sobraniyam.V This raises many questions: is the work of a later copy of how the repetition of his own work is characteristic of a particular artist, etc. . etc.? propose to talk about copyright repetitions as a phenomenon

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kropotkina-o 20.02.2009 15:02

1.A.Gerasimov.Piony.Sochi, museum 2.A.Gerasimov.Piony.Sotbi, November 2008
3 and 4. A.Gerasimov.Piony (unfortunately now I can not say where)
5.N.Feshin. An elegant lady in white, Christie, osen2008 6.N.Feshin. An elegant lady in belom.Russky Museum

dedulya37 20.02.2009 15:08

kropotkina-o,

C my point of view, the artists make the author's repetition in several cases:
- Young artists had success with the public, sold well
- When the motive of a picture or etude like the artist himself and he is ready to repeat it again and again
- When they need money badly, but no inspiration
- When the artist is already old and new ideas is not enough and in the open air to go hard
- At the request of someone else - in memory
- According to customer

Here, in my opinion, the main.

dedulya37 21.02.2009 15:17

Copyright recurrence
 
Вложений: 1
Here is the sketch and two paintings from him.
I think there are three reasons for repeat copyright: second, first and last.

Tana 21.02.2009 16:23

if possible, and there sold by auction "copyright" repetition, though it was sold without examination?
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...45&page=11

dedulya37 21.02.2009 17:30

Tana,
I can only respond to works Stozharov.

Pavel 21.02.2009 19:47

Repetition is one of the reasons why the picture of our artists do not reach the high prices at auctions. This is largely rezudtat learning and decency. By the way here on the site someone offered to sell the replay. Deep-error myself before doing repetitions of 100 dollars. loss of reputation. Also the name of the artist should be original and two artists from the same family, especially families, can not be on the top rating is, ie very expensive.

kropotkina-o 21.02.2009 20:36

dedulya37, thanks for the exhaustive answer. However, the question of how the repetition of his own work is characteristic of a particular artist, remains open. Yes landscapes Stozharov (your three reasons for repeat copyright), yes, still lifes Gerasimov (although in the case of Sotheby's is plagued by vague doubts about me "). But Feshin?" When I got out the online catalog Christie, I was sure that it is free as a copy (with similarity of motive, the authenticity of texture, brushwork, touch not obvious) for so surprised to learn that the work went very well, and the site she was given the green metku.To same is the case with an example of Tana.

Артём 21.02.2009 21:11

Вложений: 3
The first painting stolen from me, it was a pity - repeated, a third on order. So there were repetitive. My story.

dedulya37 21.02.2009 22:02

Цитата:

Сообщение от Artem (Сообщение 232876)
My story.

I Stozharov I counted a total of six repetitions of copyright.
They were written as gifts.

Артём 21.02.2009 22:21

Цитата:

Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 232906)
Y Stozharov I counted a total of six repetitions of copyright.
They were written as gifts.

    Generally, a replica (author's repetition) - this is normal - this is the life of the artist. And what a difference, the reasons why they were made? And Savrasov Alexey Kondratievich repeated his Grach and boy Vasiliev "Thaw" and many more!

21.02.2009 23:36

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 232756)
is a profound mistake I myself made earlier repetitions for $ 100. loss of reputation.

Because it is not repeated and TIRAZhIROVANIE.Prichem circulation is not specified - that is not acceptable and lottery products. Replay never copies to 100 per cent pervonapisannuyu now and both pleased and admirers and owners. Unless of course singer - and not the master craftsman.

Синица 22.02.2009 00:03

I'm friends with one artist who did repeats (variants) of his works to museums, and originals (prototypes) has left him.
Same yet know, for example, Nicholas Romadin. We can say that for him is typical.
And of course on gifts and to order.

Another saw - make choices in a larger format, if a little work has been, and I want her to do the big picture.

kropotkina-o 22.02.2009 00:03

Artem, a beautiful job. This is a kind of collective image or a specific location?

Синица 22.02.2009 00:20

By the way, not just an idle question: how much for a particular characteristic of the artist to do the options. This may be an additional argument in determining the authorship of the work?


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