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Jane Doe 14.01.2014 19:12

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Сообщение от World; 2941011"
Please help me to understand what exactly the "mountains and flat - building monochrome not like Burliuk wrote senior ".

Dear World. I'll try to help you understand very simple reflections.

In order to compare the performance techniques specific elements in the paintings wizard should come as close to the reference works particular period , performed by the same technique as in this case - oil. I think that 's understandable.

Therefore , with the above picture is necessary to reject the picture number 1 early Russian period , the picture number 2 - watercolor , image number 6 - Japanese period and the last number 7 , as having nothing in common with the work of Burliuk . This is the first .

Second , because the picture without the signature at the beginning of the theme is titled Mexico ( and it was a period in 1947 ) , I think that we should take into account the work that is relevant to Mexico and 1947. Pictures from New Mexico can also be taken for comparison, but still, it is a period in 1942 , another area , possibly other memories , impressions and expression .

This is so , World, in a simple way , without any of art braided . I think you'll agree.

Мира 14.01.2014 21:35

Dear Jane Doe! Thank you for your answer and your time.

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Second , because the picture without the signature at the beginning of the theme is titled Mexico ( and it was a period in 1947 ) , I think that we should take into account the work that is relevant to Mexico and 1947. Pictures from New Mexico can also be taken for comparison, but still, it is a period in 1942 .

Unfortunately, the Internet is extremely small landscapes of this period. Are your conclusions from an analysis of the few landscapes that are available online ?

Perhaps , Burliuk_Foundation a large volume of images of works of this period.


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This is so , Mira , in a simple way , without any braiding of art .

Just " braided " would be very greatful .
Of course, I would love to hear that the film has a chance to prove this , but the truth ( and the path to it) is much more expensive .

Jane Doe 15.01.2014 02:30

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Dear Jane Doe! Thank you for your answer and your time .

Thank you for your patience .

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Does your conclusions from an analysis of the few landscapes that are available online ?

Partially - yes.


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Unfortunately, the Internet is extremely small landscapes of this period .

Today , by chance, on his modest book shelf found a bunch of magazines "Color and Rhyme" (Color and Rhyme), which were issued David Burliuk and Marusya .
Pulled Journal № 17 for 1947-1948 . There are three images of paintings created after traveling to Mexico. Two b /w and color , " Acapulco " , I already showed above.
Plus added another , but you maybe have seen it on the internet.

The log № 18 for 1948-1949 has a list of paintings that took part in the 9th exhibition in November -December 1948 ACA. There, under the number 7 did the work titled "In Mexico".
Yours, according to the receipt , named "Mexico". But there is a caveat. The fact that at exhibitions in ACA all the pictures without exception (TO ALL!) Pasted stickers ACA Galleries. And again the same thing. The biggest problem with your picture is that it is unsigned , the terrain.

Мира 15.01.2014 04:03

Very you , Jane Doe, grateful that they thought about this work.
I have it for several days and is becoming nicer. I would like to deal with it so that any information can be useful .
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The fact that at exhibitions in ACA all the pictures without exception (TO ALL!) Pasted stickers ACA Galleries. And again the same thing. The biggest problem with your picture is that it is unsigned , the countryside .

Guess about what the labels in question. In Miller Estate had several works with labels ASA . On my way, on the back of the frame remains of stripped stickers. And pasted was generous . It is possible that before you get in the Harbor she visited ACA , it is possible that they left the exhibition catalog . That, as you surely have noticed , does not explain the absence of a signature .

Jane Doe 15.01.2014 04:26

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What , you surely have noticed , does not explain the absence of a signature .

World, another answer until I went to sleep . You suggested earlier :
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If the artist puts his signature before sending it to the gallery , it explains the absence of a signature ....

Then the exhibition in the gallery ASA automatically negates this assumption.

PS . If you look at the pictures on the internet Burliuk , publications, books, catalogs , you can easily see that they are all signed . Many dated. And many with any other inscriptions. ( Sorry for the repeat number 3)
Most of the paintings - genre depicting action.
On your - on the background of supersaturated tiled roofs and foliage area of action is the small courtyard , the main character , which is not outline any living creature , and a chair.
Also , pay attention to the texture of the canvas large , heavy breaks through the paint layer . I know from primitive sources of information used Burliuk familiar to him materials , canvases , paints. They did not have to break out sharply from the general ranks of the paintings of this period . Another thing , in the early creative years he used burlap . Or at a later period , the same burlap , but to recreate the effect of the early period of creativity .

Мира 15.01.2014 20:21

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on the background of supersaturated tiled roofs and foliage area of action is the small courtyard , the main character , which is not outline any living creature , and a chair.

The impression that the chair - the main protagonist picture is likely a consequence of the photographic effect. The first thing that attracts attention when you watch live, red spot , accidentally peeped woman , a mysterious alien life . Chair against the wall do not notice, he lost in the rhythm of the parallel lines of doorways , walls , columns, vertically stacked tiles. Red woman in the same spot movement involuntarily peering into what is happening there ?
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Burliuk enjoyed his usual materials , canvases , paints .

About the canvas will not say anything , it is easy to determine , by comparing with other canvases works of the same period .
A paint familiar , that's for sure .
Pasty tree on a random picture from the internet the same foliage greens .
Far blue mountain is written the same paint in the same manner. The same purple glow in the clouds.

And finally , someone in the United States might need to forge a modest Russian artist in 1974 ?

P.S. And one more question for you , Jane Doe, as a specialist in Burliuk . Do you know how many times David Burliuk traveled to Mexico?

Jane Doe 15.01.2014 23:03

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Good evening , Mira .

We could safely byperenesti our dialogue beyond forum , as in the discussion of the picture itself no statements other than your yes my . Well, okay . Anyway , I think that this will end today . I really wanted to help you and sincerely would like the picture this was performed by hand DD Burliuk .

Let's go back to the top of the theme , and where in your statements , and there was an element in my initial intuition :
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landscape has not been signed and the label so dumb and Burliuk not very similar . Anyway, is not the typical ,

At this moment, when so much time had to look at the discussion goes some getting used to , the picture begins to like more and more . Reason prevails over everything and every moment desire to name the painting ceases burlyukovskoy increasingly desirable . Incidentally, I have the same thing happens . I already like the most and I want to , despite my initial intuition that this picture was the picture of DD Burliuk .

All and will continue to remain in the field of our " speculative demagogy ." But moving by deduction , you still will be able to more deeply explore and maximize answer themselves.

Before I could send you some more yesterday informative ideas that should help in the search for truth .

On another show in ACA in 1948 , which shows the work "Acapulco" and "Mexico" was a job for which there is no information on the Internet . It was called "View of Popocatepetl". This volcano near Mexico City.
Also , there is mention of the work "Mexican Idyll".

Further, perhaps the last thing that can reveal all the secrets .

In February-March 1947 in the gallery ACA passed 8th Burliuk exhibition titled "Painted in Mexico". We can assume that this exhibition was a kind of creative report on a trip to Mexico.
Looking for information on this literature and by discarding approach the truth.
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who in the U.S. might need to forge a modest Russian artist in 1974 ?

Here the question of forgery was not . It's not fake. On forgery necessarily be signed. Gallery Harbor could be mistaken, the picture received from an untrusted source. I do not know , maybe it's not so, but we can not know the truth , finding reliable fact that this work came from the workshop Burliuk .
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as a specialist in Burliuk

I do not think so , all I wrote was based on my personal observations , data from the Internet and some periodicals.
As it turned out , on the forum of users , there are those who are engaged in examining works Burliuk globally in exchange for monetary rewards . And there are those who Burliuk paintings sold on a commercial basis . Unfortunately , they are relevant to your question , say nothing.

So today , in the conditions of existence of a legal organization Burliuk Foundation, all questions about the authenticity of creativity Burliuk should leave them , I hope the art. And we, in turn, if we can find something interesting in fact, will inform the public.

I think more than anything I can not help . Thank you, let it be as you want.

PS . If possible , put the photo back, subframe and manufacturer stamps on a stretcher .
And the latest for you - natyurmortik with flowers. Incidentally, also was entitled "Mexico".

Мира 16.01.2014 00:19

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Thanks for your help, Jane Doe!
For your time.
For me this conversation was very helpful, and numerous visitors, hopefully fun.

And special thanks for the flowers!!

Burliuk Foundation expressed a desire to look at the big picture "in kind", so to be continued.


All the best!

World

Кирилл Сызранский 16.01.2014 01:51

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How poor relative, bequeathed to me one of these modest works.

Take landscape.
Though he is unsigned, but good.

Мира 16.01.2014 07:24

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2943091)
Take landscape . Though he is unsigned , but good .

Yes ! Already met him leave , then there is another option - Gorbatov ( oil on canvas) . In his will bequeathed to me only one picture , but does not say what . At the discretion of the executor .
 I'm afraid I have to open a new branch , again to torment the local experts.


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