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Vladimir 24.11.2008 12:47

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Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 116426)
So that leaves no expert or experts have not reviewed? As it is illogical.

At the time of publication of indicators of risk were for 8 works for Sotheby's, 14 per Chistie's and 15 on MacDougall's - all while 37 works. This is not a lot, but in the field of view usually get things in which there are nuances and the indicators they need in particular.

iosif 24.11.2008 12:50

pedestrian,
I know exactly the same, but not in Moscow. He generally "excellent" was prepared: the canvas, and paint from old stocks. False, only the date of writing works.

Кирилл Сызранский 24.11.2008 12:58

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Сообщение от passers 116395
"the artist has the moral right of the author's repetition, but how to date it - it's his (the artist) a private matter."

Maybe he's right?

Vladimir 24.11.2008 13:09

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 116536)
Message from passers
"the artist has the moral right of the author's repetition, but how to date it - it's his (the artist) a private matter."

Maybe he's right?

Actually the sort of thing very often spread when the artist returns to the subjects of his youth and put early dating. Rather, it is not even a commercial gimmick, but a way to correct the mistakes of youth, back in time, to say that that's how I doldzhen was then draw. In my opinion, so did Burliuk, Goncharova back to the old ideas, so many people ...

SergeiSK 24.11.2008 13:23

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Сообщение от passers 116395
the last few years baluetsya that creates "the author repeats" its the same things 40-60's. Who had long since sold, and sells them as old.

And I know him! :) But in absentia. Exactly the same question (about repetitions) he asked my friends in Moscow. I got exactly the same answer. This artist has successfully sold (and sold) on Sovkome. And by the way a great artist! If we are certainly talking about the same artist. I have several of his paintings early 1970-ies I hope that their fresh copies have not yet appeared:) Although you never know ...

uriart 24.11.2008 13:28

And today's artists want to eat no less than the previous!
Known mass of names that are constantly written to repeat their work.
Take Jacob Kapkova who all his life, wrote a "Widow".
Or Pimonenko, he often repeated his work. And there are examples of this.
Three of four repeat known.

SergeiSK 24.11.2008 13:37

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Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 116586)
Or Pimonenko, he often repeated his work.

If not mistaken, then Pimonenko have a picture, where two girls are wondering if the taper. And I think he repeated it ...

Konstantin 24.11.2008 14:49

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One may well create such a theme, boldly compete with skulls.

About Savrasov forgotten?

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Great reporter Vladimir Gilyarovsky well remembered the last years of Alexei Savrasov: "Very old drunk ... Pity poor. Odenesh it - again propet all. Flats offered me to hire him - and he was his own: "No!" - Angry and leave. In the past year with some drunken company on the "Balkans" became friends. I have been looking for him, did not find ...
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Sometimes it comes in rags, drunk or hung over. But it is always sweet, gentle, shy. Opohmelyu it, sometimes pozaderzhu host a day or two, priodenu - write something. I beg to repeat "Rooks Have Come" or "Rainbow". And then after all decamp. He offered to stay, but he his: "No!".

Today it is difficult to estimate how many copies of their "Grachev" did Savrasov. Dozens. But it did not help him rise above vanity. And the vivid, haunting paintings were at that time as a ray of sunshine in a gloomy December. I remember except "Rye" (1881) yes "Spring. Garden "(1893 ).[/


Прохожий 24.11.2008 14:53

Cyril Syzransky, no way I can agree with you. I certainly do not deny the author's right to return to the old works, repeat the stories of his youth, if you want to correct "mistakes of youth." Here are just playing with dating is not necessary. Most likely, the author understands that to create something interesting from an artistic point of view he is no longer in a position, and only the value of his work - at the time of writing. Here and there are feeble pictures, dating from the forties and fifties, signed on the back of a fountain pen ... Sometimes the sketches are given for the works in due time reproduced in various publications. For someone not familiar with these things of the period - quite convincingly. However, in my opinion it does from the manufacture of fakes is different, because the main purpose of "creator" - deception, or, say softer misleading potential buyers to obtain financial gain.
Moreover, using canvas and cardboard from the earlier time "- apparently because many are working, sadly.
Yes, not to say stupid hints, I am referring to the honored artist, who was a prominent kombinatovskogo functionary, Vladimir Nikolaevich Lebedev, whose odd job (yes, with one "d") "Danilovsky market, dating back forty-sixth (I think) Year recently offered at the October auction of "Art-Union. It so happened that a number of years ago I was the owner of the original work, so it is with which to compare.
Perhaps it makes sense to start a section devoted to such figures? And not somewhere in the wilds of the forum, but "not out of reach" for visitors. Who knows, maybe it will save someone from buying such "left" works.

Кирилл Сызранский 24.11.2008 15:39

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Сообщение от passers 116795
That's only with the dating do not have to play.

Malevich, preparing an exhibition in Berlin, also play with the dating of its repetition.

uriart 24.11.2008 18:02

SergeiSK,
Not only "Divination". Job "A victim of fanaticism, there are three museums - Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk and Kyiv (?)

Кирилл Сызранский 24.11.2008 18:25

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 116776)
About Savrasov forgotten?

A pro Dubovsky?
"Quieted down" how much?
Tretyakov Gallery, BHRM (Minsk), Poltava, Samara, Novocherkassk, Rostov ...
And, in the original Russian.
Tretyakov, the author re-run ordered.

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A "Thaw" F. Vasilyev?
GTG, and repeated in Russian. And another one was in Kuibyshev, but disappeared. "Location unknown.

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A "plowing" Klodt? 7 only known to find.
Russian, TG, Baku, Tallinn, Minsk, private meetings ...

Vladimir 24.11.2008 19:02

And Mikhail Nesterov Phenomena lad Bartholomew how much? Only at auction three pieces were, and two were written with a difference in twenty years.

LCR 24.11.2008 19:11

Giorgio de Chirico that too Grashi, but some signed the actual date of creation:)

Кирилл Сызранский 24.11.2008 19:15

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 117086)

And Mikhail Nesterov Phenomena lad Bartholomew much?

Difficult to count.
The original version (unfinished, but very interesting, all the preparatory work is visible to coal, oil, only registered landscape with churches in the background) in Ufa.
In GTG-that Tretyakov himself bought Mikhail Vasilyevich in 1890
And the options: Abramcevo, Astrakhan, Kiev, Tbilisi, ETC. ETC.
In private, how much? Who knows?

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 117086)
and that two were written with a difference in twenty years.

In Abramtsevo 1923, the option.


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