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ksenjaru 13.03.2012 18:04

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Сообщение от Kirill Syzran (Сообщение 2022671)
Or if you really in Moscow, to Academician Sarabianov, Dmitry

Cyril, thanks.
And do not tell me where to find it and how to contact them?

Кирилл Сызранский 13.03.2012 19:09

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Сообщение от ksenjaru; 2022751"
And do not tell me where to find it and how to contact them ?

But :
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Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 2022701)
Which, in fact, the number of consultants in the NINE ... <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

or call them [/URL], maybe they will take on the organization of consultation meetings with the DV is Sarabianov .
Interested , as I understood , not just paper, and the answer is "it is not it" , even if oral, but responsible .

ksenjaru 13.03.2012 19:23

Thank you all for your advice and opinions!
Cyril, thanks for the contact, always with them soon.
For some reason we do multiple examinations, and there will be clear.

Кирилл Сызранский 13.03.2012 19:37

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Сообщение от ksenjaru (Сообщение 2022891)
For some reason we do multiple examinations

If you have an idea to make a complaint, I think, it is necessary to make technological expertise.
Perhaps this will suffice.

Suddenly it turns out that the work is created in the last third of the twentieth century, for example?

Игорь Гурьев 14.03.2012 01:37

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Сообщение от John Preston; 2022681 '
That is , Russian experts and say exactly falshakov it or the original .

Well, only if there is a pigment that did not exist at the end of the 1910s .
In terms of stylistic and, as they say, " the technical and technological " ( the term crazy , but settled down ), there is nothing to say, such variation is almost indistinguishable from things Puni geometrically abstract poshiba can draw on samples of almost any graduate high school art .

In the picture of me personally the impression that it was written by Puni , did not produce.
These geometric things too easy for counterfeiting , it is possible to buy only if there is IRON provenance or photo evidence ( such as an artist against the backdrop of this picture ).

Do it without provenance - throwing good money after bad .
Is the buyer did not know this simple thing ?
200 000 euros - for whom he likes - money.

ksenjaru 14.03.2012 12:40

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Сообщение от Guriev , Igor ; 2023171 '
Is the buyer did not know this simple thing ?

Igor , thank you. As I wrote , he hastened . Since the catalog put that work in the collection Berninger it seemed to him that the fact of undisputed provenance . And now there is a letter from a professor , that the work of his artist. After all, Professor . berninger monitors all work Puni , who were with him in the studio.

khmelev 14.03.2012 13:52

" Berninger Professor " is a former football player and businessman , who inherited all the property of Xenia Boguslavsky and become an "expert" at Puni . It is really a wonderful collection of Puni , but - man is weak - it was his "improve" falshakov buying and then selling them as a " house of Puni ." These things he does not sell , so that the findings do yourself <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

14.03.2012 16:43

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Сообщение от qwerty; 2022641"
work presented here is a variation on the theme unskilled work Puni second half of the tenth of the last century.

Around two years, in "Fakes ..." I wrote about the fantastic auction auction house Heritage Auction in Dallas, Texas. That was in 2008. At almost neizvectnom auction, at the center of cowboy state, was billed a galaxy of unparalleled masterpieces of Russian that could be envied any museum. Were presented to all the most box office names of painters, from A to Z.
Among them were two works by Ivan Puni. One (allegedly) sold for 350,000 dollars, the other for 70,000.

Description of the picture (first picture)
IVAN (JEAN POUGNY) PUNI (Russian, 1892-1956)
Pass, circa 1910
Oil on canvas laid on board
30-1/4 x 25 inches (76.8 x 63.5 cm)
Signed lower left in Cyrillic

LITERATURE:
M. Valyaeva, Morphology of the Russian Abstract, Moscow, 2003, pp. 302-303, illus.

Two words about the photo number 3 - sold at the Paris Aguttes in 2006 for 360,000 euros.

Ivan Albertovitch PUNI (Jean POUGNY) (1892-1956)

Sold For € 360,000

Ivan Albertovitch PUNI (Jean POUGNY) (1892-1956) Bain vers 1914 Huile sur toile signée en cyrillique en bas à gauche 80 x 59.5 cm - 31 1/2 x 23 2/5 in. Provenance: collection privée Suisse Exposition: -1916 exposition 010 galerie Dobi

Do not look at this picture of the work, written in 1914.

My personal opinion is that all these compositions are interrelated authorship, but the author does not Puni. These works, as well as your, ksenjaru, may be sisters, that is, from one father and mother.

Poddelschiki invent stories that are hard to verify, even today, in the presence of the Internet and other communications. Under certain forgery ordered articles, publications, and even monographs.

ksenjaru 14.03.2012 17:51

OLEGTsi, thanks for all the information is accurate likeness !
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Сообщение от OlegTsi; 2023611"
Poddelschiki invent stories that are hard to verify , even today , in the presence of the Internet and other communications. Under certain forgery ordered articles, publications , and even monographs .

So what about , I personally talked to prof. Berninger. Is he also a crook and a swindler ?

Because a lot of money paid, and my feeling that the picture is doomed. In your opinion can the Russian museum experts attribute the picture at 100 %?

Игорь Гурьев 14.03.2012 17:51

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Сообщение от OlegTsi; 2023611"
A few words about the photo number 3 - sold at the Paris Aguttes in 2006 for 360,000 euros .

This thing - generally quiet horror ...
The fact that such a color, poddelschik , it seems not even heard of.

Others - even those nice little , nice , glamorous , extremely well and in good faith made ​​a fake ...
In the 30th century will be appreciated , will write about them : " Puni School , late 20th century ."

Кирилл Сызранский 14.03.2012 18:10

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Сообщение от ksenjaru (Сообщение 2023751)
In your opinion can the Russian museum experts attribute the picture at 100%?

I think - yes, definitely.

ksenjaru 14.03.2012 18:17

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Сообщение от Kirill Syzran (Сообщение 2023801)
I think - yes, definitely.

Thank you would not want to just work in Moscow to carry.

Кирилл Сызранский 14.03.2012 18:21

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Сообщение от ksenjaru (Сообщение 2023821)
do not want to just carry the work in Moscow.

"Just so," and is not necessary.

Written off, call up, explain the situation, assign a time, turn in the examination.

I think you can even, in a letter to all available information on this work and throughout this issue.

14.03.2012 18:24

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Сообщение от ksenjaru; 2023751"
In your opinion can the Russian museum experts attribute the picture at 100 %?

Yes, they can. But I'm afraid , is not in favor of Puni .
What to do next? Frankly , time is lost. Hot on the heels could still raise some questions with the auction house . But six years ... I think that the auction long ago washed his hands of all the warranty period ( if any) has expired .

Puni is very frequent in the imitation poddelschikami . There are different levels of fraud , designed for customers with varying thickness of the purse.
Here is a small part of those imitations of Puni , who have passed through the area Ibeya .

Кирилл Сызранский 14.03.2012 18:42

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Сообщение от OlegTsi (Сообщение 2023841)
But I'm afraid, is not in favor of Puni.

So this is how I learned and want to now.

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Сообщение от OlegTsi (Сообщение 2023841)
Honestly, the time lost.

For the Court, I think not.


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