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Кирилл Сызранский 21.09.2011 22:56

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Сообщение от artcol; 1780273"
And where did the rest go? Remain in the bins of the owner and heir ?

Supply /demand changes.
There was a demand for Russian - had taken off from the walls of Russian painting that hung for decades. Will be a different trend - these things will sell .
In Europe, various art very much, even with our realities can not be compared .

artcol 21.09.2011 23:09

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Сообщение от sportsmen (Сообщение 1779653)
I had the honor to speak with one serious Russian collector , antiquarian . He is engaged in this favorite work from ancient times . So he told me that in Russia, for the antiquary times were very bad. His main thesis:

- In Russia there is a huge degradation of the whole culture , including - the culture of collecting art. People becoming more primitive, and they are interested in Mercedes cars , boats , real estate , diamonds - but not art .

What, in your opinion, do you assess the antique market in Russia ?

And if you go back to the top of the topic, I honestly, mossy type of antique , moaning about the degradation of culture, it seems a bit anachronistic . Probably need to talk about the prospects of the type of certain types of antiques on the market GGG

Кирилл Сызранский 21.09.2011 23:28

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Сообщение от artcol; 1780393"
probably need to talk about prospects such as certain types of antique dealers in this market GGG

Here in our market means more fine art, but all the same .
And as antiques - very general concept. There, and PDI , and icons, and a weapon with faleristics , numismatics and other collectibles.

impression 21.09.2011 23:33

In the 80-90 deal to buy cheap , before the 2008 crisis was sold and everything is expensive, gets the money now heavier and investors prefer to invest only in rare items in perfect condition and quality, and mostly complain about those who do business on the left COA and antiques ambiguous quality and condition in the hope that the items in a tie with excessive demand which took place in 2008 for them never to return (and thus having beaten once and for all the desire to invest in antiques , many tight purses have invested without understanding just trusting the papers and words) those who kept his face and made ​​the right choice in favor of honest business and high-quality collectibles and are not experiencing problems with buyers.

mihailovoh 24.09.2011 11:40

impression,
 Cheap term abstraktnoe.vspomnite living in nas.na vyzhivaniya.Konechno face turn a blind eye or say a mantra legche.Nikakie not restore wounds after 2008g.v including antique or modern zhivopisi.A be another wave , and more zatyazhnaya.let 5 -10 uncertain and stressful .
Not sporyu.chto for quality real raboty.po tsene.rano or later there is still probably all pokupatel.no pozdno.chem early.

Кирилл Сызранский 24.09.2011 12:29

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Сообщение от impression; 1780433"
those who kept his face and made ​​the right choice in favor of honest business and high-quality collectibles and are not experiencing problems with buyers.

And customers - yes, but that's supply of "quality collectibles " for these customers is not infinite , I think.

Santa 24.09.2011 13:54

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Сообщение от sportsmen; 1779653 "
is it that you love from ancient times . So he told me that in Russia, for the antiquary times were very bad. His main thesis:

- In Russia there is a huge degradation of the whole culture , including - the culture of collecting art. People becoming more primitive, and they are interested in Mercedes cars , boats , real estate , diamonds - but not art .

I have an old friend , the old guy a collector of one - the old guard ..
He says that times for antiques is a good thing - the demand is there , it is permanent.
The only thing that is bad - no good stuff. All worthwhile, and settles in the collections of the market no longer do that.
"There is no things , no," he kept saying .. and the phone does not stop - all the time that it asks.
Used to be good - customers were not, today , exactly the opposite.
This is the only negative to date .

Кирилл Сызранский 25.09.2011 12:36

I think yesterday the "prospects for the Russian market" had been made major adjustments.
 
:eek:>

impression 25.09.2011 19:28

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Сообщение от mihailovoh (Сообщение 1783593)
impression,
 Cheap term abstraktnoe.vspomnite living in nas.na vyzhivaniya.Konechno face turn a blind eye or say a mantra legche.Nikakie not restore wounds after 2008g.v including antique or modern zhivopisi.A be another wave , and more zatyazhnaya.let 5 -10 uncertain and stressful .
Not sporyu.chto for quality real raboty.po tsene.rano or later there is still probably all pokupatel.no pozdno.chem early .

And now, before collecting doing ( are) not the poorest people living here and do not , the markets have not recovered in plus those who in 2008 came to money , uncertainty and stress that in mind the economy has nothing to do .
The main thing is not fussing and fussing time under :)>

sergejnowo 25.09.2011 20:19

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Сообщение от impression; 1784753"
plus those who in 2008 came to money

quite true, but those who did it, to collecting no relation had.
They were smart and " sober " speculators , or rather investors.
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Сообщение от impression; 1784753"
uncertainty and stress that in mind the economy has nothing to do

And then what does the economy to the price of painting?
If the shares or currencies is a specific company or economy of the country , it is worth the price for painting?

impression 25.09.2011 20:39

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1783653)
The buyers - yes, maybe, but that's supply of "quality collectibles" for these customers is not infinite, it seems to me.

And then-then what? Once these customers be satisfied with "good quality collectibles"? Where "saving face and making the right choice in favor of honest business" stuff to take to work? Do fellow antique dealers? For a good "quality" cost? And then? What's next, then?

You perfectly described all the way buyers will never be satisfied, due to this high-quality items rising in price, but who wants to get freebies "ersatz" or second-class subjects (with regards to antiques).
You can search for promising new artists.
The dream of every speculator to find my grandmother in the village and buy a rarity for a song few feasible for this to work with what we have while maintaining a reputation.

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 1784793)
quite true, but those who did it, to collecting no relation had.
They were smart and "sober" speculators, or rather investors.

And then what does the economy to the price of painting?
If the shares or currencies is a specific company or economy of the country, it is worth the price for painting?

For each picture is a writer who is unique in its way the company whose shares are increasing as a function of public relations and quality of work.
People's desire to possess what is unique, and availability of funds is behind the price of painting is another matter that the paintings come only when everything else has died and is usually looking for pictures of money, but not vice versa.

Кирилл Сызранский 25.09.2011 22:09

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Сообщение от impression; 1784823"
dream of every speculator to find my grandmother in the village and buy a song for little rarity is feasible

What is the " rarity " can be bought in the village with my grandmother , I wonder?
Paper icons ? Sooty chigunok ? Broken spinning wheel ?
 :D>

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Сообщение от impression; 1784823"
on the need to work with what we have

So what is that? With what "work" ?

iside 25.09.2011 22:39

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Сообщение от impression (Сообщение 1784823)
For each picture is a writer who is unique in its way the company whose shares are increasing as a function of public relations and quality of work.

From this phrase that the author is likely to artist :)>

sportsmen 26.09.2011 12:02

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Сообщение от Santa (Сообщение 1783763)
I have an old friend , the old guy a collector of one - the old guard ..
He says that the times for antiques is a good thing - the demand is there , it is permanent.
The only thing that is bad - no good stuff. All worthwhile, and settles in the collections of the market no longer do that.
"There is no things , no," he kept saying .. and the phone does not stop - all the time that it asks.
Used to be good - customers were not, today , exactly the opposite.
This is the only negative to date .

So if everything is so rosy in the antiques market , why the sale of such Sovkome Gelos and to put it mildly , poor ?

sergejnowo 26.09.2011 12:52

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Сообщение от sportsmen; 1785173"
scarce ?

so that things do not , and if so, for dear :D>
But seriously, the market of original masterpieces are very limited.
Just enough and no more.
On the old world classics such as Rembrandt, new products on the market, sometimes not for 20 - 30 years.
And the conversation is not for masterpieces , and for the unpretentious work.
By this all and goes .....


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