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timur_aliev in Norway - "the place promised" to the Chechens? little popiaryu himself as a traveler - will post a text about Norway - http://www.chechensociety.net/index.php?id_article=725 - it came out in the latest issue of "PR."
Norway - "the place promised" to the Chechens
Around the world with a "Chechen Society": Travel Notes
A few years ago, Norway seemed to be "paradise promised" to hundreds of Chechens. In this country wanted to get those who have already decided for himself - "I will not stay in Chechnya." And today the situation has not changed much. But here is whether or not Norway - a haven for refugees from any country whatsoever? Two years ago, with a small delegation from the CIS countries, two employees of the newspaper "Chechen Society" were in this Scandinavian country.
Timur Aliyev
Norway - not the best place for the Chechens for tourist trips. That you understand, not yet having reached to the country itself, but only apply for a visa at the Norwegian Consulate. "Live" part, which must hold at 6-7 in the morning, unwittingly brings to mind the Soviet times, when to buy fresh milk, people with cans lined up in the hands of the shop at 5 o'clock in the morning. The same goes for the consulate, only people with a container instead of dad with papers. Moreover, three hours of daily administration can not guarantee all people in the queue, they will be able to come to be cherished in the window for filing today. So, all repeated the next day.
But if all the misfortunes of ordinary Russians on this and end up in a few days visa are in their hands, for the Russians out of Chechnya is only a beginning. Even without an invitation, just an entry visa to Norway will not get - at least have to pass an interview, during which the employee must decide Norwegian Consulate - whether to allow you to enter the country or not. The main obstacle in Norway may be your desire to stay in this country. But the immigrants there, and so too, because if the consular officer feels that there is the slightest suspicion of you, a visa you can not see. However, the Norwegian authorities can be understood if we know that over the past 4000 years, refugees from Chechnya have asked in this northern country for political asylum
But if the visa in the passport, then you can go. After the inevitable (the Chechens) half-hour examination of the documents with searching eyes looking into the customs at Sheremetyevo border controls in Oslo seems like paradise. Although in comparison with other countries, it is not so forgiving. The customs officer asks you about the purpose of their visit, scans the documents and necessarily require a return ticket.
We were met by blank Norway airport. At 10 pm there was no one, except for passengers of the Moscow and London routes. In the future, Norway did not change the first view of himself - the country really malozaselena. There are four million people, with one fourth of them - immigrants.
Oslo initially affects the appearance of local residents. In one corner stands a bunch of black guys on the next - a few people with an elongated shape of eyes, the third - a few dark-skinned and dark-haired guys. Before coming to the country it was thought, however, that the Norwegians look different. Later, it turns out that the area of Oslo is called "Little Karachi" - descendants of refugees are living here from Asia (about 30 years ago, it began to settle immigrants from Pakistan).
Chechen refugees in Norway too much. It is believed that in this country of refugees and political immigrants are the best. For this reason, several thousand Chechens turned to the Migration Service of Norway for asylum and citizenship.
Norwegian migratsionschiki regularly come to Chechnya to look around the place - it is safe now live in the country and whether it is time to send refugees back to their homeland, or at least stop taking them. But while apparently no time has come. Almost all falling in Norway Chechens made the immigration authorities. Of course, they are not accommodated in the central districts of Oslo, but, nevertheless, provide aid and shelter - usually on the coast or the north.
On the situation in Chechnya been advised many citizens of Norway. Seller souvenirs at Oslo's main street asks us - "where?" "Chechnya," we reply, and he begins to nod his head vigorously. Then hears one of us speaks in Russian the word "hundred". "A hundred?" - Asks the seller also in Russian. "Yes, a hundred," we affirm, and he snaps at us with reproach - "Why do you say in Russian? After Russia invaded your country. " And concludes - "I do not like the two countries in the world. It is Russia and the United States. They - the country's warlords ».
Hotel" Grand ", which placed our delegation, as it usually happens abroad, we were pleased by not having the filling of any papers and presentation of documents at the entrance. That is, we just handed the keys to the magnetic room with a smile and said good night. The next morning the hotel gave us a few good moments - it turned out that it is in the heart of Oslo. In addition, it became clear that this is not just a hotel, but the whole "you like this" place. So, down the hall with noise sweeps a black lady with a huge yellow bow on her head. After she planted a million trees in their homeland, it became world - a Nobel Peace Prize for 2004 is the year. On the day we left the hotel populated by the Dalai Lama - in front of the hotel under umbrellas waiting for its release people. Before coming here thought that Norway is in the side of the world processes, but in fact turned out differently.
Democracy highest officials of the local citizens of the former Soviet Union is striking. They say the king and queen can be found here on Oslo's main street, strolling arm in arm - they live side by side, in the early prospect - in the royal palace.
By the way, the royal couple's participation in national life than a mere "entertainment tourists. " Thus, at the royal farm, located almost in the city, produced milk, and, in an amount sufficient for the entire Oslo. Received money from the sale of queen admits to charity.
Similarly, democracy in Norway are not only monarchic person. Arrived at the awards ceremony at the Nobel Institute, the prime minister is accompanied by only a few riders. And it is this in comparison with the Russian reality, where the minister of a republican government sometimes walking, accompanied by several armed guards.
By the way, and the local police prefer not to be evident. If no radio on his shoulder, they could be mistaken for ordinary cyclists, which is also missing.
Hard to say how big the crime rate in today's Norway. The presence of several quite ugly beggars form on Oslo's main street of nothing said - according to locals, the people themselves have chosen such a roguish lifestyle - the state is quite capable of feeding its citizens.
In the area of crimes against the state everything seems too safe. For example, one of the leading members of the local state TV and radio did not immediately able to answer the question - "is it possible to carry out investigative journalism in the country?". It has caused difficulty, however, not the fact of self-censorship among journalists, but that she could not remember - if the last place in Norway is something, which would have cost to dedicate a whole correspondent investigation. Finally her face lit up - it turns out, a couple of years ago caused a great public a fact of corruption. But what a surprise it was the delegation of journalists from CIS countries, when they learned that such a fact was a banal trade places in a queue for the distribution of property.
Press in Norway quite confident feeling. Two public television channel fully cover the needs of the country's broadcast media. By the way, the Norwegian television is built on the example of social BBC BBC in Britain. Buyer TV in Norway and immediately pay the subscription fee for TV channels. Fee is low and is comparable to the standard of living in Norway.
In general, Norway - a country not poor. Country in the early twentieth century was lucky to discover oil in their territory, and this discovery was very timely - just a few years before Norway won independence from Sweden, and became an independent state. It seems that many Swedes poobkusali yourself elbow after this discovery.
But now the Norwegians are using their oil reserves are very reasonable. They prefer not to simply invest in their own country or in the form of investments in the economies of other countries, but spending it - on their own population. Any nation is guaranteed a citizen of Norway will have to his adulthood in the amount of several thousand euros, which he can spend on their education.
Of course, the Norwegians were not always so peaceful and tolerant towards representatives of other countries or konfessiyYu even as now. The museum guides tell of ancient ships, which are devastating raids on neighboring England did the ancestors of the Norwegians - the Vikings. They do not just attack the coastal towns and villages, but their frequent targets for attack there were some monks and monasteries. The monks do not go into debt - the Inquisition at least severely dealt with "pagans", the Vikings. By the way, is interesting, but for the title of direct descendants of the Vikings still compete as the Norwegians and their neighbors - the Danes and Swedes.
Monuments in Oslo Nemerow. And they can be found in the most unexpected places - for example, in the forest on the slope of the mountain that looms over Oslo. As a rule, two kinds of sculpture - naked people or animals. There are also ancient monuments - generals and royal personages - but these are already in full fig. Invariable attribute of any monument - sitting on top of his gull.
Gull in Oslo a lot, because beside the sea - or rather, the bay. If you look at it from the mountain, that of Oslo, the form - "funky." Fjords, sea and buildings of the old dark brown brick.
For the same reason the climate is very humid in Oslo. Continuing rains and rheumatic unlikely porekomenduesh move to the city for permanent residence. In addition, while Oslo is located in southern Norway, the temperature is not the resort. 15-20 degrees in the summer - this is normal, but in the winter - is not freezing - near zero or minus five degrees.
Metro in Oslo is very liberal. In the beginning you simply amazing fact of the existence of "underground" in the city, which seems to be walking for two hours. Subway map, especially when compared with Moscow, it seems primitive - only four branches in the center of all of them combined. Then you wonder passage in the subway system - there is simply no turnstile. Yellowish box at the entrance to compost your ticket and you come out onto the platform. In general the system works on trust. True, the locals do not recommend to go "hare." Sometimes all outputs overlap, and there is a check. Fine for ticketless travel is quite high - about four and a half thousand (translated into Russian money). But a one-time ticket is quite expensive - about 60 rubles.
Amazing true zhestkokritichnoe attitude of Norwegians to Nazism. Despite the fact that since World War II has been more than 60 years, in Norway, can not forget that once the government and society of this country supported the ideas of Hitler. Norway for six years was ruled by Germany and its territory was located several concentration camps. And today, any Norwegian almost the first thing to say in a conversation to the tourist, that he condemned Nazism and the alliance with Nazi Germany, which took place in those years. Case in point - Knut Hamsun, writer of world renown, there has not only a museum, but even the smallest of the statue (in a country where the monuments, perhaps more than people). And that's just because Hamsun once supported the idea of the Nazis.
Norway is home to the world and another celebrity - the artist Munch. His famous "The Scream" stolen constantly, and sometimes even find it. One of the last time the thieves did not have a particularly trying - the picture was hanging in the lobby of a hotel. However, Munch from this theft, departed - the fact that "The Scream" has a number of options - the artist repeatedly reworked the painting, always keeping a copy. Thus, in today's world, there are several originals paintings, a pair of which is still at large.
More tourists to the Oslo love to drive to a local park - a statue here of the famous John Vigeland. In the eyes of a layperson, a Norwegian could easily compete in a certain sense of Zurab Tsereteli - the latter takes the scale, but the work is obviously shocking Vigeland devotees of the classics in art.
As always, when returning from European countries, Russian reality dramatically lowers mood. After the Norwegian "machineless" on the roads - two hours in traffic from Sheremetyevo. Then, fill as many as three cards in to the hotel. At the end, exchange office refuses to accept the bill issued in Oslo at 10 euros, because it is slightly "dented". One can not help wonder - but is it really so wrong, those who went to Norway for a better share.
I think, of course, that living in Norway will find a lot of errors. But do not judge strictly, to the depth and do not pretend - this is a tourist notes (only 4 days in Oslo).
Norway - "the place promised" to the Chechens
Around the world with a "Chechen Society": Travel Notes
A few years ago, Norway seemed to be "paradise promised" to hundreds of Chechens. In this country wanted to get those who have already decided for himself - "I will not stay in Chechnya." And today the situation has not changed much. But here is whether or not Norway - a haven for refugees from any country whatsoever? Two years ago, with a small delegation from the CIS countries, two employees of the newspaper "Chechen Society" were in this Scandinavian country.
Timur Aliyev
Norway - not the best place for the Chechens for tourist trips. That you understand, not yet having reached to the country itself, but only apply for a visa at the Norwegian Consulate. "Live" part, which must hold at 6-7 in the morning, unwittingly brings to mind the Soviet times, when to buy fresh milk, people with cans lined up in the hands of the shop at 5 o'clock in the morning. The same goes for the consulate, only people with a container instead of dad with papers. Moreover, three hours of daily administration can not guarantee all people in the queue, they will be able to come to be cherished in the window for filing today. So, all repeated the next day.
But if all the misfortunes of ordinary Russians on this and end up in a few days visa are in their hands, for the Russians out of Chechnya is only a beginning. Even without an invitation, just an entry visa to Norway will not get - at least have to pass an interview, during which the employee must decide Norwegian Consulate - whether to allow you to enter the country or not. The main obstacle in Norway may be your desire to stay in this country. But the immigrants there, and so too, because if the consular officer feels that there is the slightest suspicion of you, a visa you can not see. However, the Norwegian authorities can be understood if we know that over the past 4000 years, refugees from Chechnya have asked in this northern country for political asylum
But if the visa in the passport, then you can go. After the inevitable (the Chechens) half-hour examination of the documents with searching eyes looking into the customs at Sheremetyevo border controls in Oslo seems like paradise. Although in comparison with other countries, it is not so forgiving. The customs officer asks you about the purpose of their visit, scans the documents and necessarily require a return ticket.
We were met by blank Norway airport. At 10 pm there was no one, except for passengers of the Moscow and London routes. In the future, Norway did not change the first view of himself - the country really malozaselena. There are four million people, with one fourth of them - immigrants.
Oslo initially affects the appearance of local residents. In one corner stands a bunch of black guys on the next - a few people with an elongated shape of eyes, the third - a few dark-skinned and dark-haired guys. Before coming to the country it was thought, however, that the Norwegians look different. Later, it turns out that the area of Oslo is called "Little Karachi" - descendants of refugees are living here from Asia (about 30 years ago, it began to settle immigrants from Pakistan).
Chechen refugees in Norway too much. It is believed that in this country of refugees and political immigrants are the best. For this reason, several thousand Chechens turned to the Migration Service of Norway for asylum and citizenship.
Norwegian migratsionschiki regularly come to Chechnya to look around the place - it is safe now live in the country and whether it is time to send refugees back to their homeland, or at least stop taking them. But while apparently no time has come. Almost all falling in Norway Chechens made the immigration authorities. Of course, they are not accommodated in the central districts of Oslo, but, nevertheless, provide aid and shelter - usually on the coast or the north.
On the situation in Chechnya been advised many citizens of Norway. Seller souvenirs at Oslo's main street asks us - "where?" "Chechnya," we reply, and he begins to nod his head vigorously. Then hears one of us speaks in Russian the word "hundred". "A hundred?" - Asks the seller also in Russian. "Yes, a hundred," we affirm, and he snaps at us with reproach - "Why do you say in Russian? After Russia invaded your country. " And concludes - "I do not like the two countries in the world. It is Russia and the United States. They - the country's warlords ».
Hotel" Grand ", which placed our delegation, as it usually happens abroad, we were pleased by not having the filling of any papers and presentation of documents at the entrance. That is, we just handed the keys to the magnetic room with a smile and said good night. The next morning the hotel gave us a few good moments - it turned out that it is in the heart of Oslo. In addition, it became clear that this is not just a hotel, but the whole "you like this" place. So, down the hall with noise sweeps a black lady with a huge yellow bow on her head. After she planted a million trees in their homeland, it became world - a Nobel Peace Prize for 2004 is the year. On the day we left the hotel populated by the Dalai Lama - in front of the hotel under umbrellas waiting for its release people. Before coming here thought that Norway is in the side of the world processes, but in fact turned out differently.
Democracy highest officials of the local citizens of the former Soviet Union is striking. They say the king and queen can be found here on Oslo's main street, strolling arm in arm - they live side by side, in the early prospect - in the royal palace.
By the way, the royal couple's participation in national life than a mere "entertainment tourists. " Thus, at the royal farm, located almost in the city, produced milk, and, in an amount sufficient for the entire Oslo. Received money from the sale of queen admits to charity.
Similarly, democracy in Norway are not only monarchic person. Arrived at the awards ceremony at the Nobel Institute, the prime minister is accompanied by only a few riders. And it is this in comparison with the Russian reality, where the minister of a republican government sometimes walking, accompanied by several armed guards.
By the way, and the local police prefer not to be evident. If no radio on his shoulder, they could be mistaken for ordinary cyclists, which is also missing.
Hard to say how big the crime rate in today's Norway. The presence of several quite ugly beggars form on Oslo's main street of nothing said - according to locals, the people themselves have chosen such a roguish lifestyle - the state is quite capable of feeding its citizens.
In the area of crimes against the state everything seems too safe. For example, one of the leading members of the local state TV and radio did not immediately able to answer the question - "is it possible to carry out investigative journalism in the country?". It has caused difficulty, however, not the fact of self-censorship among journalists, but that she could not remember - if the last place in Norway is something, which would have cost to dedicate a whole correspondent investigation. Finally her face lit up - it turns out, a couple of years ago caused a great public a fact of corruption. But what a surprise it was the delegation of journalists from CIS countries, when they learned that such a fact was a banal trade places in a queue for the distribution of property.
Press in Norway quite confident feeling. Two public television channel fully cover the needs of the country's broadcast media. By the way, the Norwegian television is built on the example of social BBC BBC in Britain. Buyer TV in Norway and immediately pay the subscription fee for TV channels. Fee is low and is comparable to the standard of living in Norway.
In general, Norway - a country not poor. Country in the early twentieth century was lucky to discover oil in their territory, and this discovery was very timely - just a few years before Norway won independence from Sweden, and became an independent state. It seems that many Swedes poobkusali yourself elbow after this discovery.
But now the Norwegians are using their oil reserves are very reasonable. They prefer not to simply invest in their own country or in the form of investments in the economies of other countries, but spending it - on their own population. Any nation is guaranteed a citizen of Norway will have to his adulthood in the amount of several thousand euros, which he can spend on their education.
Of course, the Norwegians were not always so peaceful and tolerant towards representatives of other countries or konfessiyYu even as now. The museum guides tell of ancient ships, which are devastating raids on neighboring England did the ancestors of the Norwegians - the Vikings. They do not just attack the coastal towns and villages, but their frequent targets for attack there were some monks and monasteries. The monks do not go into debt - the Inquisition at least severely dealt with "pagans", the Vikings. By the way, is interesting, but for the title of direct descendants of the Vikings still compete as the Norwegians and their neighbors - the Danes and Swedes.
Monuments in Oslo Nemerow. And they can be found in the most unexpected places - for example, in the forest on the slope of the mountain that looms over Oslo. As a rule, two kinds of sculpture - naked people or animals. There are also ancient monuments - generals and royal personages - but these are already in full fig. Invariable attribute of any monument - sitting on top of his gull.
Gull in Oslo a lot, because beside the sea - or rather, the bay. If you look at it from the mountain, that of Oslo, the form - "funky." Fjords, sea and buildings of the old dark brown brick.
For the same reason the climate is very humid in Oslo. Continuing rains and rheumatic unlikely porekomenduesh move to the city for permanent residence. In addition, while Oslo is located in southern Norway, the temperature is not the resort. 15-20 degrees in the summer - this is normal, but in the winter - is not freezing - near zero or minus five degrees.
Metro in Oslo is very liberal. In the beginning you simply amazing fact of the existence of "underground" in the city, which seems to be walking for two hours. Subway map, especially when compared with Moscow, it seems primitive - only four branches in the center of all of them combined. Then you wonder passage in the subway system - there is simply no turnstile. Yellowish box at the entrance to compost your ticket and you come out onto the platform. In general the system works on trust. True, the locals do not recommend to go "hare." Sometimes all outputs overlap, and there is a check. Fine for ticketless travel is quite high - about four and a half thousand (translated into Russian money). But a one-time ticket is quite expensive - about 60 rubles.
Amazing true zhestkokritichnoe attitude of Norwegians to Nazism. Despite the fact that since World War II has been more than 60 years, in Norway, can not forget that once the government and society of this country supported the ideas of Hitler. Norway for six years was ruled by Germany and its territory was located several concentration camps. And today, any Norwegian almost the first thing to say in a conversation to the tourist, that he condemned Nazism and the alliance with Nazi Germany, which took place in those years. Case in point - Knut Hamsun, writer of world renown, there has not only a museum, but even the smallest of the statue (in a country where the monuments, perhaps more than people). And that's just because Hamsun once supported the idea of the Nazis.
Norway is home to the world and another celebrity - the artist Munch. His famous "The Scream" stolen constantly, and sometimes even find it. One of the last time the thieves did not have a particularly trying - the picture was hanging in the lobby of a hotel. However, Munch from this theft, departed - the fact that "The Scream" has a number of options - the artist repeatedly reworked the painting, always keeping a copy. Thus, in today's world, there are several originals paintings, a pair of which is still at large.
More tourists to the Oslo love to drive to a local park - a statue here of the famous John Vigeland. In the eyes of a layperson, a Norwegian could easily compete in a certain sense of Zurab Tsereteli - the latter takes the scale, but the work is obviously shocking Vigeland devotees of the classics in art.
As always, when returning from European countries, Russian reality dramatically lowers mood. After the Norwegian "machineless" on the roads - two hours in traffic from Sheremetyevo. Then, fill as many as three cards in to the hotel. At the end, exchange office refuses to accept the bill issued in Oslo at 10 euros, because it is slightly "dented". One can not help wonder - but is it really so wrong, those who went to Norway for a better share.
I think, of course, that living in Norway will find a lot of errors. But do not judge strictly, to the depth and do not pretend - this is a tourist notes (only 4 days in Oslo).
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