Where sunsets sovriska market?

[Art-lover]

Write in column major factors evaluation of works of art market:
1. Fineart-value (intrinsic quality, assessment experts and thin. Society - such as Mona Lisa))
2. Conceptual value (Duchamp's urinal)
3. Situational value (fun, good looks at the new wallpapers, advertised, etc.)
4. Provenance (who owned: Mobile Peter the Great, etc.)

5. As the author written in the history of art with which the motion relates that founded, taught ...
6. S portfolio (where and who exhibited, where and how much was sold))

7. Speculative factor (games market agents to increase)

If we trace the relative importance of these factors during the formation of the art market, interesting picture emerges:
if during the period of market all revolve around one factor, in the era of modernism prevailed 1, 2, 5, taken in a different order, but now mostly dominated by factors 5, 6, 7, and for sovriska - 6 and 7.

This means that the artist. sovriska market becomes indifferent to the professionalism and talent (as confirmed by theorists, in private. B.Groysom) to become the arena is arbitrary manipulation of the leading players.
Hierarchy and sovriska prices are in such an atmosphere is not based on the quality and intrinsic value, but on the basis of archives (service records biographical lists precedents sales) - which are created and controlled by the same players - as well as the suppression of non-branded hard art.
Such tactics are slowly but surely eroding the branch that holds the market - rooted in the masses the idea of ​​objective value of art.
Layer of intricate tattoos can not forever hide bare ass king. Price bubbles inevitably burst.

It is clear that the art market needs to be reformatted.
If he can not revive the evaluation criteria of modernism, there an alternative market, whose task will be to restore confidence in the audience (consumer) to art.
For this new market should be renewed emphasis on the quality of pictures and objects on the talent of the artist, as well as the artistic education of the masses, on the formation of the social environment that can accept new (forgotten old) priorities in the arts (this work is a long history of on-Artinvestment our joint efforts of its members )

Obviously, Neomodernism can not just continue your line of development: the idea of ​​the avant-garde, gryunderstva exhausted. As a concept, is nothing new under the sun.
 But that there is always a new and truly eye-interest - is a strong artist, strong work.
(I was amazed that at Arsenal from 2012 youth baldela quality facilities grandparents modernist quenching than their peers from work, fed with milk postmodernism).
The focus should be shifted from the painter. trends and historical data to individuals (outside the lines) and atomic components of the market - specific works that are ranked by Fineart-criteria.

Accordingly, the refinement of these criteria and decide on the applicability of their objectivity and become one of the priorities for the critics and theorists.
Coordinate system for the assessment of the internal quality "netlenki" may be different.
Actually, this article was born out of reflections on how he could rely on the new modernism, and whether it will fit in his grandfather's chest.
Perhaps something amiss, but that's a different subject - there and write about it.

Back - to the future! )

[artcol]

Сообщение от Art-lover

write down in a column major factors in the market evaluation of works of art:
1. Fineart-value (intrinsic quality, assessment experts and thin. Society - such as Mona Lisa))
2. Conceptual value (Duchamp's urinal)
3. Situational value (fun, good looks at the new wallpapers, advertised, etc.)
4. Provenance (who owned: Mobile Peter the Great, etc.)

5. As the author written in the history of art with which the motion relates that founded, taught ...
6. S portfolio (where and who exhibited, where and how much was sold))

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7. Speculative factor (games market agents to increase)

If we trace the relative importance of these factors during the formation of the art market, interesting picture emerges:
if during the period of market all revolve around one factor, in the era of modernism prevailed 1, 2, 5, taken in a different order, but now mostly dominated by factors 5, 6, 7, and for sovriska - 6 and 7.

This means that the artist. sovriska market becomes indifferent to the professionalism and talent (as confirmed by theorists, in private. B.Groysom) to become the arena is arbitrary manipulation of the leading players.
Hierarchy and sovriska prices are in such an atmosphere is not based on the quality and intrinsic value, but on the basis of archives (service records biographical lists precedents sales) - which are created and controlled by the same players - as well as the suppression of non-branded hard art.
Such tactics are slowly but surely eroding the branch that holds the market - rooted in the masses the idea of ​​objective value of art.
Layer of intricate tattoos can not forever hide bare ass king. Price bubbles inevitably burst.

It is clear that the art market needs to be reformatted.
If he can not revive the evaluation criteria of modernism, there an alternative market, whose task will be to restore confidence in the audience (consumer) to art.
For this new market should be renewed emphasis on the quality of pictures and objects on the talent of the artist, as well as the artistic education of the masses, on the formation of the social environment that can accept new (forgotten old) priorities in the arts (this work is a long history of on-Artinvestment our joint efforts of its members )

Obviously, Neomodernism can not just continue your line of development: the idea of ​​the avant-garde, gryunderstva exhausted. As a concept, is nothing new under the sun.
 But that there is always a new and truly eye-interest - is a strong artist, strong work.
(I was amazed that at Arsenal from 2012 youth baldela quality facilities grandparents modernist quenching than their peers from work, fed with milk postmodernism).
The focus should be shifted from the painter. trends and historical data to individuals (outside the lines) and atomic components of the market - specific works that are ranked by Fineart-criteria.

Accordingly, the refinement of these criteria and decide on the applicability of their objectivity and become one of the priorities for the critics and theorists.
Coordinate system for the assessment of the internal quality "netlenki" may be different.
Actually, this article was born out of reflections on how he could rely on the new modernism, and whether it will fit in his grandfather's chest.
Perhaps something amiss, but that's a different subject - there and write about it.

Back - to the future! )

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Are you sure that the new modernism is synonymous with "quality"? I think the process is going in a different direction. "Entropy increases" (c)

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Art-lover; 2221631"

, this work has long been conducted in Artinvestment forum jointly by its members

Do not tell ....

Сообщение от Art-lover; 2221631"

This means that the artist. sovriska market becomes indifferent to the professionalism and talent (as confirmed by theorists , in private . B.Groysom ) to become the arena is arbitrary manipulation of the leading players .

I agree 100 %....

Сообщение от Art-lover; 2221631"

This new market will have renewed emphasis on the quality of pictures and objects on the talent of the artist ,

Dear, outside Moscow a little different situation ... that's what sells the whole of Russia .. http://stefart.ru/
90%of the commercial market for art in Russia is a picture from China , and this percentage is growing. (A person who chooses on principle - "like all the" prefer 100%paintings by contemporary artists from Hong Kong, Italy, France ..)
Collectors may be interested and some modern Russian artists , but this is a negligible amount.
That is the trend in the market of contemporary art (even pretentious Moscow ) " Closed major art fair ART ARENA and HUDGRAF " http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=168181

[Сима]

Сообщение от Art-lover; 2221631"

The coordinate system for internal quality assessment "netlenki " may be different.
Actually , this article was born out of reflections on how he could rely on the new modernism, and whether it will fit in his grandfather's chest .

Art-lover, it's a question of axiology in a broader sense ? "Old" modernism appealed to the "old" ( "eternal" ) values. After much at all to the archetypes .
PS For me, the problem of quality in sovriske focuses on the adequacy of the form task. And the quality of the form - it is a bonus. But I do not buy sovrisk . Ie I'm not his keeper and not an expert.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Art-lover; 2221631"

This means that the artist. sovriska market becomes indifferent to the professionalism and talent (as confirmed by theorists , in private . B.Groysom ) to become the arena is arbitrary manipulation of the leading players.
Hierarchy and sovriska prices are in such an atmosphere is not based on the quality and intrinsic value, but on the basis of archives ( service records biographical lists precedents sales ) - which are created and controlled by the same players - as well as the suppression of non-branded hard art.
Such tactics are slowly but surely eroding the branch that holds the market - rooted in the masses the idea of ​​objective value of art .
Layer of intricate tattoos can not forever hide bare ass king. Price bubbles inevitably burst .

Thank you. Completely agree with you in all of these findings. Finally it was made on this forum and it is professionally marked .
Conversations in the same artistic medium has long maintained, all unhappy , except " those players " ...

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Art-lover

write down in a column major factors in the market evaluation of works of art:
1. Fineart-value (intrinsic quality, assessment experts and thin. Society - such as Mona Lisa))
2. Conceptual value (Duchamp's urinal)
3. Situational value (fun, good looks at the new wallpapers, advertised, etc.)
4. Provenance (who owned: Mobile Peter the Great, etc.)

5. As the author written in the history of art with which the motion relates that founded, taught ...
6. S portfolio (where and who exhibited, where and how much was sold))

7. Speculative factor (games market agents to increase)

Читать дальше... 

If we trace the relative importance of these factors during the formation of the art market, interesting picture emerges:
if during the period of market all revolve around one factor, in the era of modernism prevailed 1, 2, 5, taken in a different order, but now mostly dominated by factors 5, 6, 7, and for sovriska - 6 and 7.

This means that the artist. sovriska market becomes indifferent to the professionalism and talent (as confirmed by theorists, in private. B.Groysom) to become the arena is arbitrary manipulation of the leading players.
Hierarchy and sovriska prices are in such an atmosphere is not based on the quality and intrinsic value, but on the basis of archives (service records biographical lists precedents sales) - which are created and controlled by the same players - as well as the suppression of non-branded hard art.
Such tactics are slowly but surely eroding the branch that holds the market - rooted in the masses the idea of ​​objective value of art.
Layer of intricate tattoos can not forever hide bare ass king. Price bubbles inevitably burst.

It is clear that the art market needs to be reformatted.
If he can not revive the evaluation criteria of modernism, there an alternative market, whose task will be to restore confidence in the audience (consumer) to art.
For this new market should be renewed emphasis on the quality of pictures and objects on the talent of the artist, as well as the artistic education of the masses, on the formation of the social environment that can accept new (forgotten old) priorities in the arts (this work is a long history of on-Artinvestment our joint efforts of its members )

Obviously, Neomodernism can not just continue your line of development: the idea of ​​the avant-garde, gryunderstva exhausted. As a concept, is nothing new under the sun.
 But that there is always a new and truly eye-interest - is a strong artist, strong work.
(I was amazed that at Arsenal from 2012 youth baldela quality facilities grandparents modernist quenching than their peers from work, fed with milk postmodernism).
The focus should be shifted from the painter. trends and historical data to individuals (outside the lines) and atomic components of the market - specific works that are ranked by Fineart-criteria.

Accordingly, the refinement of these criteria and decide on the applicability of their objectivity and become one of the priorities for the critics and theorists.
Coordinate system for the assessment of the internal quality "netlenki" may be different.
Actually, this article was born out of reflections on how he could rely on the new modernism, and whether it will fit in his grandfather's chest.
Perhaps something amiss, but that's a different subject - there and write about it.

Back - to the future! )

Learn the history of art. The market sells everything. It does not alter and influence it can not. He kept on and that those who are exalted to heaven, suddenly find themselves on the hard pavement. Determine who will be where you can not. This is the same talent and rare as an artist. Example-Shchukin us. He bought those who did not buy one. Or Durand-Ruel, or Vollard. Calculate this is not possible, it should feel. It must live. But almost always, it is imposed on a dummy, someone's game, in which many people lose.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Pavel

that those who are exalted to heaven, suddenly find themselves on the hard pavement.

life examples pozhalsta!

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Pavel

Example-Shchukin us.

.........

But almost always, it is imposed on a dummy, someone's game, in which many people lose.

Shchukin recommend Matisse Picasso and even brought him to his studio.

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от artcol; 2221651"

Are you sure that the new modernism is synonymous with "quality"? I think the process is going in a different direction. "Entropy increases" (c)

The right question.
It should be noted that "Neomodernism" cool term: not only that the oil with oil, so also signified his perpendicular staromodernistskomu.
Classic modernism was based on a model of the Tower of Babel (that is, the idea of ​​progress - a new steeper old: in this sense, all the avant-garde styles - Suprematism)).
When the tower collapsed, the idea collapsed upward vertical in art. Future Modernism - horizontal, it will be similar fashion: new - it is not the best, but just a new, and multifaceted (Armani, Givenchy, Kenzo, Chanel, Dior ...).
Imagination is drawn not entropic wasteland, endless field of debris, rolling plain with hills on the horizon): Vertical continue. But they are not made of glass, concrete, plastic, and of the more delicate and environmentally friendly fabrics.

(That can credit that led Eugene, not very revealing: the souvenir shops were, and will outlast it. Rubber women potoplyaemy))

Сообщение от Shem

For me, the problem of quality in sovriske focuses on the adequacy of the form task. And the quality of the form - it is a bonus.

Well be thought that these words Pope admonishes Mikalandzhelo to paint the ceiling of the church ))

Art is always functionally redundant - is a solid bonus.
Once sovrisk cultivated as application design, then have a design: at the entrance, then at the output, and bonuses - from the evil one. )

Сообщение от Shem

Art-lover, it's a question of axiology in a broader sense? "Old" modernism appealed to the "old" ("eternal") values. After much at all to the archetypes.

Thoughts read: just about to consider archetypal axiology as an option valuation system.
But not here: in the subject sur it belongs.

[fabosch]

If directly answer the question stated in the title, my answer will not sunset and at the same time, in a sense, the sunset (before it rolled into the market of postmodernism, modernism, and others like them). Market is what is called the actual art (we will not delve into the terminology, and some use the average knowledge of the subject behind these terms), was (once the actual art was, for instance, impressionism) and abides there for a long time . While not a change in general paradigm of human development. This question is not decades (perhaps). Safe to say only one thing - a hundred years things will be different.
While much art inherits value criteria modernism (let's call it for convenience Neomodernism), and there is a sector of the market, as it takes its sector and souvenir-art products. Sector that, in my opinion, still quite exist. Just a temporary monetary resources allocated by human society in this area of ​​his life (plastic arts) has always been and will be limited. And the expansion of the sector akutalnogo art is, of course, to the narrowing Neomodernism sector (in this case it is clear that the gift sector is eternal and will soon expand this moderate narrowing midway even more). The advent of new technologies, the constant expansion of the boundaries of what is art, art leads to attempts to develop new areas of the search for new means of expression (as it is about the development of multi-parameter spaces - this process is very slow). From this process can not escape and that he would be in the public eye (as far as the plastic arts in general can be at the center of society. Attention), that is, to take significant market share.
God knows, I do not see why the current situation is fundamentally different from that of, say, a hundred years ago. And as some of Anish Kapoor worse Picasso? Yes, the criteria have changed. I can not agree that the criterion number one (at your numbering) was marginal. Just in this area, it is impossible to establish objective criteria to be independent of otsenivalschika. And then, consequently, it is necessary to develop evaluation criteria otsenivalschika? And to them will not carry professional education or advanced degrees. There are adepts aktualschikov too.
It is therefore natural that the market holds for criterion number 6. He not only is objective (of course, to a certain extent), but also has a quantitative scale.
Just, I think, a hundred years much has changed society's requirements to be met by art. And whether we like it or not, this is an objective process, even with all that amount of foam, which, perhaps, sometimes closes the rest.
Yes, there is, of course, excessive monopolization of the market, but I'm not really sure that this market monopolization will benefit. But who knows ...
Sorry for the wordiness - always jealous of your short wording.

PS. I am not adept sovriska: swim in the middle sector, even more in a more conservative part of it, just try to look the truth in the eye.