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Старый 02.01.2009, 01:06 Язык оригинала: Русский       #1
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По умолчанию Ideal forum: utopia or ...

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Here, at the forum itself had the absolutely unique community not just professional but also very enthusiastic people. This enthusiasm sometimes plays with us a very bad joke, emotions are overlapped, and for personal artistic preferences, unfortunately, suddenly blurred identity of the interlocutor.

Everyone has something to tell all the people literate. That being said here, or in a book does not read - because this experience is life! Just think: no publication where it is so compact would be collected by such unique information on such a huge number of areas of art. Yes, and answer the questions people in the know!

... Everyone on the forum is interesting, everyone - is necessary! And those who have long since come, and newcomers, since only newbies can ask questions that bewilders most-most

Honestly, very banal and even a little embarrassed to talk here about the culture of the dispute and that any opinion can be expressed so as not to offend his interlocutor. ...

Let's put up, just to tolerate, not to offend anyone ...
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To be honest, when we opened the site and forum, nine months ago, we assumed all - that there will be attendance, will not be active at the forum, do not come educated and knowledgeable people will not be interesting discussions ... But the fact that the forum will be the main problem is not so, and regularly flashes of scandals, and that will always have to "steal" their members and to persuade them to behave properly - this we could not imagine.

I just thought about this subject, which, inter alia, intended to draw attention to a forum to shape the dangers lying in wait, when there was a known conflict events. These incidents have been accompanied by calls for "Let's live together", under which are ready to subscribe absolutely everything.
Alas, this consensus does not guarantee against the recurrence of crises. Because the cause of the contradictions are objective, the forum participants - real people, and effective moderating large network communities - a headache for even the most intelligent managers.

Nevertheless, it is not benadezhno.
I believe that you can create a system of coordination between the administration and the active nucleus forumchan that will ensure sustainable development forum, and the good communication and a positive balance of interests of members, which is not reduced to the next "victory of Communism."

Let us remember the immortal klasciku ( "Sun City", "Brave New World", "How do we reorganize the Workers'", ...) and dream about the ideal forum.

If any part of forumchan try to look at this community and its problems of the eyes of an architect or artist, the clouds on the horizon will be collected less frequently, and the sun will shine brighter.

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Unfortunately, I do not know how to avoid a sizeable zanudstva the transition to the technical details of the project to translate the dream into an epic.
Because the project has structural, technical, organizational, managerial, informational, ideological, ethical aspects - and it's not a full list ... Gloom.
Can so all this "bury", which will be not to art.
Blame these problems on the admins? Good idea, but whether they possess a perfect Zen art of cotton with one hand?

As a compromise, try to provide a very general outline of the vision problems in general - that intuitive basis, without a review based on its approach to particular questions may seem extravagant.

In a nutshell - it multidiskursny synergetic approach in relation to the forum as a complex nonlinear dynamic system.

In practice, this means in particular the following.
The forum in a process of self-organization, and non-destructive control forum is only possible in a symbiotic relationship with these processes.
The Forum is based on maintaining a thin delicate balance between chaos and order. It is a little upset this balance, and months of efforts by many people to improve and promote the network share will go down the drain. For a cascade of growing crisis will often do the one and only "pushes" events.
The more popular and increasingly will be a resource, the harder it will be to avoid the regressive processes.
Constructing a formal model of the life of this community in order to predict and control is unrealistic.
Ironically, the most effective way for sustainable development of a dynamic forum - the cultivation of the irrational "intuitive wisdom" - and not only and not by the admin ...
Proc from the ability to see the processes taking place at the forum in different categorical systems (multidiskursnost ") - the same as that of the transition in geometry from the Cartesian to polar coordinates in the visual arts - from direct to reverse perspective, etc. Ie for some incredibly intricate "Gordian knot" can not find a clear and dramatic denouement.

Phew. Today all.

Shl
Finally one practical suggestion - from the number of easily implementable.

How to equip hell?

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At most forums have nether world, where sending sinners, and who represent all sorts of bad words - flood, etc.

Recently a tender version of the "lower world" - "Pavilion" was added (suggested by the participants themselves) terrible - "squabbling."

At first glance - it is a humane action. Convicted of malicious Flaming or thuggish behavior are sent to purgatory, and not just in the eternal "bath".

On the second and third glance, this - a mistake.
Respected and respectable forum that has a relationship to the world of art in general ought not to show the world the presence of a prison structure - boards antipocheta.

And where to find out the relationship?
After all, circumstances sometimes forced to such a clarification is not only "fans sort things out", but "nelyubiteley, whose reputation has been hurt in an unfair public announcement. Explained only through lichku - hence implicitly recognize the validity of reproach in his address, or "swallow" an insult.
Often the exchange of two or three replicas of exhaust question. And if the spat becomes chronic?

Here needs a "hell". But in any case not under the name "squabbling."

First, not every disassembly a squabble. Involuntarily resentful man had to try to restore justice, and his emotional "pravdoiskatelstvo" will, in turn, considered as a confirmation of ugly character, and off they'd go to vlot ban.

Secondly, in any infighting, there is more or less guilty party. Both are stamped, "hell-raiser."

Thirdly, the name of "squabbling" is so skewed in relation to the names of other sections that are involuntarily attracted to him attention. It is elementary law of advertising.

Fourth, the admin goes to the role of the magistrate, and people are fallible. As the admin - the symbol of the forum, unpopular decisions inflict damage the prestige of the forum. There is a royal affair. After archetype requires that "the omnipresent and omnipotent" was also "all-good." Options permescheniya in this section, DB transmitted "boyars" - Moderator, or regulated community.

Section title should be emotionally neutral.
"Разборки", "strife", "altercation", etc. - No good.

I propose - "Differences" - "the place to find out and conduct personal conversations that are not of interest to other participants of the forum or detrimental to the reputation of the forum.

Best of all, if for guests and for new members, not made a single post, this section would be invisible.

In addition, after a burst of emotion, people tend to quickly withdraw and then regretted the incident. It is desirable to limit the term of placement of posts in this section a month. Then it is interesting only to lovers of fried.



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