Is it possible to protect from vandalism?

[Art-lover]

Reason for this topic that's what.
Under sales hang my picture. And then yesterday I find this theme in his remark:

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Сообщение от Oleksandr

miserable likeness! This is not a carpenter!

Yes, it is not Carpenter.
This - Stolyarenko.

However, it would clearly I have not argued until exclamation hamovatogo "expert" to hang on this page, it will be achieved: a cozy atmosphere of these pictures are hopelessly corrupt, dobrosovesny seller slandered in mind the prospective buyer to cast doubt.

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This is all pretty childish: there do mischief, there ran for free advice ...
What a guy (his age, he points out - 20 years) hooked, it is clear: when he asked "whether it Samokish? Help identify?", One of the answers was "miserable likeness!"
Obviously, he sought an occasion for anybody to win back. I finally found.

But why the forum participants should be ignorant, helpless victims of aggression?

It is called the topic "For Sale" instead of "helping to define.
This means that by offering a picture, a man of honor and good name vouches for the authenticity of information provided to them.
Under the rules of headings, any additional information of interest may be obtained through personal correspondence. Similarly, in a civilized manner can be resolved any doubts.

What self-respecting man will stand serious things where there is a "presumption of guilt"?
It turns out that any "mischief" or "well-wisher," hiding behind a nickname, may here rakish "mark" for 10 seconds, and outlined his "victim" should not sleep the night, smashing his head as the wash from the traces of his folly and swinishness?

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The picture that I have the honor to represent has an impeccable and verifiable provenance - from the time when no one has never occurred to forge work PK Its artistic merits are obvious for any professional. And, of course, buying it will be presented to experts.

And why, actually, I - and in my place might be one - are forced to publicly prove that I am not a camel - for the amusement of the small demons?

Such a "brick" can fall down on his head on the head of any party, doverivshimusya hospitality section sales.
Perhaps from this episode will have at least some benefit for it, if it will help to clarify the rules list of sales so as to guarantee the integrity of the seller the security of "hacker" and "spam" assaults.

I believe that if you comment on the exhibited painting affects honor the seller's duty reasoning with appropriate documentary proof should rest with the commentator. A falsely charged with motives "so I took it into his head" or "so that you empty it" should immediately be removed.

Hopefully the total solidarity in this matter.

[Сергеич]

Let us express the public opinion and the administration, I am sure will react. What you need - enough to ban or delete statement? I think for the first time to remove, and not uymetsya banned.

[SergeiSK]

Art-lover,
Agree unequivocally! At first, I sold this one work, one bought and traded two. Frankly on the internet forums for me it was the first time. And then began appearing such as "opinion" homegrown experts. Opinions them basically worthless, but you're right - in possible buyers immediately questionable. But it is inevitable and does not eliminate - here every right to express their views and give his assessment. And who is this man really is - one of the Internet knows ... So two options - either offer to sell or not.

Сообщение от Sergeyitch

Let us express the public opinion and the administration, I am sure will react. What you need - enough to ban or delete statement? I think for the first time to remove, and not uymetsya banned.

It does not help. It must be hard to prove just oppponentu that he layman in this matter. And to prove constantly, until he realizes that this is true.

[LCR]

Correct! First - remove the disgrace message and ask for a young hoodlum to apologize to our beloved Art-lover.
And if you refuse, then forward, to the bathhouse! Uzho there soaped his neck!

Darling Art-lover, is confident that the total solidarity you provided, and in any case, I assure you of my own.

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Сообщение от SergeiSK

And then began appearing such as "opinion" homegrown experts.

Afford "chiriknut.

Immediately draw the attention that my comment has no relation to the episode with Art-lover.

But if even an amateur can see that the forum the participants are offered the dubious work for sale, and it does not meet or whose objections (except Grandpa, whose opinion is probably too "insignificant"), it affects the reputation of not only refined the forum, but whole site.

"Prove your opponent that he is an ignoramus, yet he did not understand ..." - agree with you.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Tit, perhaps one should separate the discussion of attribution and comments in the For Sale section.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Tit, perhaps one should separate the discussion of attribution and comments in the For Sale section.

Maybe I do not know. You both are.

Сообщение от SergeiSK

So two options - either offer to sell or not.

There is also option - not to offer falshaki for sale, unless, of course, not "profane."

Everyone can make a mistake, but for the discussion and in order to understand it.

[SergeiSK]

Tit,
You are something I want to staple? Well, then argue. Open the "Buy \ selling" and from there all my suggestions take. I am not against discussion. Only careful, do not sit in a puddle ...

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Сообщение от Tit

But even if a layman can see that the forum the participants are offered the dubious work for sale, and it does not meet or whose objections (except Grandpa, whose opinion is probably too "insignificant"), it affects the reputation of not only refined the forum, but the whole site.

A major topic you raised. Serious and not easy.
There is a lot of dealers, and there is an unwritten law: "You do not Chayesh mine, but I say nothing about yours." I realized this when I started in l /s write-participating dealers and request not to raise this issue. The theme of questionable pictures.
And if you noticed, I never discussed the sale of pictures, only the relevant sections.
I understand the party's Eugene, where he is concerned about the discussion of controversial works. He asked not to write about them "nasty" because it hurts "business."
The question arises, what and whose?
I think that we should establish a rule-not to comment on pictures of the For Sale section.
And in other sections of the comments are relevant, I think.
What opinions on this from other members?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I will give an example from another forum, but also antique, but the other subjects. There is a section Buy /Sell. But he is called-Commercial. And in that forum is strictly forbidden to discuss the exhibited items for sale.
Many sellers thence first in the section discussing the attribution of the participants, but no mention at all about the money. In the common themes that can not be done should be a warning.
And only then in the private commercial section gives a reference to the previous discussion. Who wants to, of course.
And this case with Stolyarenko-disgrace, I agree.

Friends, I am with you completely agree. Moreover, ready to enter practice, similar to that which said Cyril Syzransky. But, in addition to the positive, there are some negative points.

Yes, indeed, be within the section "Buy /Sell" create section "attribution", in which pre-debate work, offered for sale. You can also set rules that prohibit in the "Buy" to discuss the authenticity and quality of the exhibited items.

But how about if the person specifically registered on the forum to put up for sale some work, calling to say the least doubt in the experts? And, of course, he did not discuss it in advance in the "Attribution". And perhaps he himself does not know that the offers for sale are not genuine thing? Because the proposed rules him no one can say that the work is questionable?

And the continuation of this situation may be that some specialist who is not a member of the forum, saw this thing in the "Buy" and wanted to specifically register for the forum to report that things are not true. And to do so is prohibited.

How to resolve all these questions?