Старый 21.02.2013, 22:49 Язык оригинала: Русский       #11
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your sshoobscheniya valerian napasessya not ...
I have a couple of bushes in the garden grow , share ... >
And as a follow-up to skazannomu.Moe one of the favorite places in the city, an outdoor museum Pedagogical University, where collected Arrivals Polovtsian stone idols , stone bab.Posledny time was in the spring of last year, and today decided to visit the "stone of friends" and was in shock . From the time the stones were covered with dust in places overgrown with moss .. Well, in general, have an ancient, picturesque, pleasant look. So they decided to clean up and put in the appropriate form , clean, like new now ... Maybe I do not understand something in the conservation of stone artifacts, but as the Japanese say , " Every thing should bear stamp time" ...



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Старый 21.02.2013, 23:59 Язык оригинала: Русский       #12
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Pecheneg, I am.
(To be honest, after your stories) expect their color (or whitewashed), well, moss will grow ..
(Fu, relieved ...)



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Старый 22.02.2013, 00:49 Язык оригинала: Русский       #13
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So they decided to clean up and put in the appropriate form, clean, like new now ... Maybe I do not understand something in the conservation of stone artifacts, but as the Japanese say, "Every thing must take the time stamp "...
Complex question. If we start from the aesthetic views of the author famous essay "Praise the shadows", then - of course ... For polished to a high gloss kettle - guts out, his throat with a razor, and - well!
But. I can not remember who owns the next terrible rasskazka (A.A.Rybnikovu great, I think), when returned to the halls of the Hermitage after the restoration of "small Dutch" - groan stood in the ranks of the true connoisseurs of old paintings. It turns out that it was sufficient to remove a layer of dirty varnish to not only completely change the impression of the color scheme and other nonsense, but to destroy the base idea of ​​painting an entire era. About how!
A "wash or not to wash?" there is a reason for the perennial debate between two different directions in the restoration.
If you remove the pages stopisyat theoretical considerations, it is the following: Dear century - do not you dare touch it, to respect the author - is restored to its original form. (Although the experiments on the reconstruction of ancient marble sculptures paintings left mixed feelings, and themselves Kuroshio pink with golden hair reminds me of colored concrete local craftsmen on the lawn gnomes ...)



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Старый 22.02.2013, 02:33 Язык оригинала: Русский       #14
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A "wash or not to wash?" there is a reason for the perennial debate between two different directions in the restoration.
Icons of the same "open", there is a time "print time" from the darkened varnish yes candle soot formed that faces could hardly be distinguished.
No, I understand that the yellowed varnish on an old painting gives a certain charm, but underneath it is painting itself-and not seen often, that I am a "wash", unequivocally. >
And as collectors themselves should decide in what form in their collections will be their items - coins in a green patina or brushed, painted a picture in a darkened "Museum" form or restored to copyright paints.
By the way, the frame-all trying to restore, with a broken stucco somehow do not like to broadcast them on the walls and the furniture restoration, do not want to have the furniture in the house at the Manilow -
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... in room was fine furniture, covered with a nifty silk, which is true, cost is very expensive, but it lacked two chairs and upholstered chairs were simply matting, however, the host for several years, each time warned his guest with the words: "Do not sit on these chairs, they are not ready ".
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Старый 22.02.2013, 13:54 Язык оригинала: Русский       #15
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Icons as "Open ", where time is a " time stamp " of darkened varnish candle soot formed so that the faces can be difficult to distinguish .
Yes, of course, open the icon , but it remains the basis of age-old , ancient timber , remove the old olifku it again and cover art, is its charm ..

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And as collectors themselves should decide in what form in their collections will be their objects - coins in a green patina or brushed ,
Here one can clearly say so ... if patina thick, green or other lakovoblestyaschaya and then a coin preserve and lay down on the tray ... and if the coin is covered with copper oxychloride or nitrous , it must be cleaned clearly which way the chemical or mechanical, decide on the spot based on the state of the coin.



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Старый 22.02.2013, 14:56 Язык оригинала: Русский       #16
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Choosing restovratora serious question!
As a surgeon to the patient.

But the cases are different.
The priest came to restovratoru.
Help!
Detergent and grandmother used to wash the windows and so on.
icons in the altar tschatelno washed!
We tried!
What can be done?
Icons and grandmothers divide the glass!



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Старый 22.02.2013, 15:31 Язык оригинала: Русский       #17
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What can I do?
"Do Yourself!"



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Старый 22.02.2013, 17:23 Язык оригинала: Русский       #18
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By the way, the frame-all trying to restore, with a broken stucco somehow do not like to broadcast them on the walls and the antique furniture restored too, do not want to have this as the home of Manilow
Comparison is korrektnoe.Mebel restored not only for aesthetic reasons but also in order so that she could continue to use for other purposes, the frame restored only if it is necessary to preserve and emphasize the creation of picturesque proizvedeniya.Metal and coins in any case can not be cleaned mechanically, clean these items from oxide, that no further corroded and can not touch it because razrushalis.Patinu a natural protective layer.
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choice restovratora serious question! As a surgeon to the patient.
The smaller the restoration work will offer to make a restorer, he kvalifitsirovanney.Horoshy restorer will make only the most obvious and urgent, and then only at the request of the customer.
On the restoration of icons is good literature. Example "Restoration of Easel tempera painting" edited V.V.Filatova. Moscow 1986. Before the bear icon for restoration, I advise to read, to know what to expect from this process.
Regarding physicians and surgeons in particular - they kill more people than those killed in accidents and disasters along vzyatyh.Luchshe to services "doctor" not to bring, and all that they say to take a critical and philosophical.



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Старый 22.02.2013, 20:57 Язык оригинала: Русский       #19
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The smaller the restoration work will offer to make a restorer , he kvalifitsirovanney.Horoshy restorer will make only the most obvious and urgent, and then only at the request of the customer.
Regarding physicians and surgeons in particular - they kill more people than those killed in accidents and disasters along vzyatyh.Luchshe to services " doctor " not to bring , and all that they say to take a critical and philosophical .
 
I agree completely , I will say more , the more you touch a thing ( restavriruesh ) so for her huzhe.Eto just say verified.
What about " washing " -remove - nail completely barbaric remnants proshlogo.Vozmozhno only thinning the layer without affecting the bottom layer.
I understand everyone wants to see the thing, as seen by the author , a fresh , bright -deception , never it so you do not uvidite.U work has its own life , history, patina.Dumayu that many of the authors and do not know if they could see their current condition. So what now , to " wash " them to the first layer ? Or lose it. Saw a lot of work to look after restoration worse than before ...



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