Constantine Azadovsky: Russian Museum v. Benoit

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Сообщение от Eugene

Constantine, Fear God, Sudeikina and Benoit for the night?"

The full quote to which you responded:

Сообщение от Liza

A 2-3 days to make art history and the technological expertise of the two small works really well: having access to a reference database (and the Russian Museum has it) and using non-destructive methods of analysis, ie, without sampling (XRF, IR reflektografiya), all equipment is in the Russian Museum and there is a sufficiently high level - would desire.

And I agree with that, "it would wish."
Sometimes, to bring the picture to a meeting with the buyer, he, in turn, comes from an expert, he looks, nods, and the transaction occurs.
The papers have a new owner and then he does.

[Евгений]

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Сообщение от Eugene

You mean "priborchike "..?

This is not about me "priborchike:

Сообщение от serg_str

with phthalocyanine pigments probably not a museum of human rights, because because of complete lack of funding, procurement of equipment NO. Applications for infrared spectrometer and Raman long waiting in the wings for many years, we have to use priborchik to determine the authenticity of excise stamps ...

[serg_str]

In this case it was about the same. The dealer left the mortgage holder and was a verbal agreement that he showed the work to the experts, who are trusted. If all goes well, then ... If not - money is returned to the dealer, and work on the wall. This is a normal practice. At the local procurement, after examination, said that two things are doubtful. They explained what the reasons he took the work. But their owner (Mr. Azadovsky) refused to return the money and demanded a formal opinion. At the moment none of the experts did not know the name of the owner of this things and reflect on the collection of Constantine Markovic and did not mean to. In conclusion, no words - Fake! It says that experts could not confirm authorship. These are different things. Theatrical sketches Benoit and Sudeikina lie in certain locations in the department of drawings and watercolors. Get and process the array is not very difficult, to the same for a general catalog studied a lot of pictures of Alexander Benois and a comparative material.
Make expertise can and one day, but not on every job. What is important is the degree of scrutiny of the author and the availability of reference material.
Sorry, but comparing me with Petrov is not very correct ...

[Евгений]

serg_str, (O Petrov remove)
 Once again many thanks for the clarification on these works, I wrote the basic error Azadovsky K. ..

Сообщение от Eugene

Error Constantine Azadovsky that he ordered the case to a stranger.

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He did not know:
"experts are not legally liable for the accuracy of attribution, as it is treated as their scientific and informed opinion, not assertion ...."

[serg_str]

Absolutely true, Eugene. He himself, for reasons unknown to me, and did not bring these works to the museum. He has currently forensic examination and the conclusion of the Theatre Museum. In my mind is not normal for people to twist arms and seek to recognize it their point of view. At least, we could not do this in such a scandalous manner. All the answers from the museum in the ministry and personally Konstantin Markovich were extremely polite and on each point of his accusations were detailed arguments professionals.
It should address the very problem of negative appraisals. And Tretyakov and Grabar write them very reluctantly, preferring to return the item to the owner. Russian Museum is engaged in this totally thankless exercise. But the negative conclusion and its rationale is often significantly more complex than the positive. And to pay for the negative result no one breaks. Plus the problem of disgruntled collectors ...

[dedulya37]

I warned you ...

Сообщение от Liza

Dear Mister-y, thanks to that on the one hand appreciated the level of discussion I have proposed, emphasizing my good knowledge of technological expertise, but on the other hand, I wish you joy, I have one of those candidates Chemical Sciences working in the Art Lab, about which you write the following in the passage quoted.

A personal thank you Liza for the detailed response.

[SergeiSK]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy

, even for business

You have no business. In the sense of art. Another may have. Advanced thanks to the Internet, a peasant. But it's not bad, are needed.
You will be in Sochi - invite. See not "festive" sets. No kidding. Whiskey offer will not be because he did not drink, I'll take cigars. Well, talk.

[khmelev]

typical story. The dealer takes the thing, quickly realizes that he can not handle it and declares that a thing unreal. Thanks to contacts received relinquished paper.
But in this case things went wrong usual scenario. Owner of the wanted to double-check, Theatre Museum confirmed the authorship Benoit, handwriting expert confirmed the handwriting Benoit.
So we will watch with interest as the timing will explain on what basis they make judgments about the handwriting, not having no right to do.

[serg_str]

Handwriting part in the timing did not. The Museum sought the advice of colleagues from the Russian National Library that deal with historical, but not Forensic handwriting analysis. Forensic work on the principle - is the "standard" and is writing submitted for examination. Forensic not explain what that standard! The investigator gives two sample and asks them to compare. In this case, he Konstantin Markovich picked "standard" script. True, these were photocopies from publications in any increase. Try otkserit, increasing, the signature of the general form of paintings from the book and try to print from the printer to determine the direction of the stroke and force push the pen in this signature.
Historically, graphology is more complicated, because studied handwriting rights of different ages, different types (front, home, signatures, etc.). Checked against hand relatives. Hence, the timing of such examinations. If your timing kept several thousand works of the AN Benoit, work with foundations, archives, high-quality measurements, for the comparison and identification of individual features of handwriting may take a couple of months.