Should I disclose the details of expertise?

[Admin]

The reason for this survey served as a dispute concerning the disclosure of nuanced examination of works Mikhail Roginsky and Anatoly Zverev.

Opinions were divided. Advocates of disclosure argue the subtleties of expertise that buyers should know how to distinguish a gross falsification of the original. Opponents of the disclosure of this information believe that poddelschiki, armed with such information, will produce better quality fakes, which will be much harder to identify.

Request to all forum members to vote in this poll. Since this issue is of fundamental importance, the reaction is supposed to only two: "yes" or "against" disclosure of details of examination.

[Nik]

Good poll, thanks! Since the voting closed and it is unclear who voted how, about myself. Personally I am against disclosure. I support Eugene.

[Евгений]

Admin, Alexander thing is that in this topic experts shared their experiences:
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Waqar Irina
GTG Senior Research Fellow, Department of Painting of the first half of XX century

Elena Zhukova
Department Head schedules GTG

Mihienko Tatiana
GTG Senior Research Fellow, Department of Painting of the first half of XX century

Rybakova Yulia V.
Senior Researcher ВХНРЦ them. IE Grabar, expert auction house MacDougall

Silaev Valery S.
Senior Researcher GTG (artist-restorer of graphic works of the first category)

Ushakov, Alexander Grigorievich
Authored by the three-volume "Dmitry Krasnopevtsev. Blogs. Graphics. Painting "
then it will be useful and interesting to all.
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But why vote did not understand what purpose?

[Selene]

If the examination results will be hidden, the buyer more likely to punish the seller and the ruble and, sorry, prisons, whether the organization, such as specialized salon (Law on consumer protection are required to provide the customer with complete and accurate information about a product, work, service) or a citizen (in accordance with the Civil Code the court may determine that the transaction occurred under the influence of deception, delusion). Vendors still in each case must soberly assess their risks and not relegate them to the buyer. Otherwise, may be more than serious trouble, including criminal law. If the buyer will receive full information and the seller can prove it, the very same seller is more secure because it is believed that the buyer has received the Join and agreed to a deal on the circumstances, and to pay the agreed purchase price.
The fear that disclosure will be benefit for criminals think unfounded.

[fross]

Selene gave a comprehensive explanation why disclosure of details of expertise beneficial both for the buyer and the seller.
The question is whether the benefits of this more and those who work spoofs? I do not think that it will help them greatly improve the quality of the fakes, if you would very much like, and without us all be known. Well, if anyone of them and reach heights of excellence, and this agree considerable work, then you probably will not stop and wants to his own name was found.

[Admin]

Сообщение от Eugene

Admin, Alexander thing is that in this topic experts shared their experience

Eugene, to the experts now very easy to get - all leave. Wait until September.

[Nik]

Сообщение от Selene

The fear that disclosure will be benefit for criminals think unfounded.

But how could I not be? Will how! In any business insider information is strictly secret and behind it is a serious hunting competitors and other interested persons. With insider information, you can at least get a serious competitive advantage, and even completely destroy a competitor. Concealment of insider information - the basis of security of any business.

Here exactly the same case.

[Selene]

I among others would like to emphasize that the sellers, intermediaries, not less buyers are interested in obtaining information, especially if any - professional market participants. Since they demand more.
Any fakes, whether food, clothing, shoes, money, antiques and fine art have different levels of performance. Some can be seen immediately, while others can be identified after the study without the use of special equipment, and others - only after special studies, sometimes very serious. Dissemination of information will reduce the turnover is just the most serious counterfeiting, trafficking in which it is possible just because of ignorance.
I believe that those who are serious "works" for a particular artist, has the necessary training and knowledge, and forgery was originally performed, so that with high probability to pass even a very difficult test. But this requires time, resources and talent of the artist.

[Meister]

Nik, well, tell me what they can help these new details? they will take them into account in their fakes?? what about Provenance, age of the canvas, the composite component?

[Selene]

If I may quote from the brilliant work of Mr. Bonner, incidentally, he was a lawyer, and certainly "in the subject": shy:
"The original court case on charges of VV Truskina associated with counterfeit art was considered by the Supreme Court of the RSFSR. VV Truskina found guilty, inter alia, that during the period from 1954 to 1964, he forged the author's signature ten scenes. One of them was sold to the collector, nine - in the state museums * (25).
Thus, the work of an unknown artist "Children on the terrace, the convict had forged the signature of the artist's original AI Korzukhina, then sold the painting to an individual.
Having bought a painting by an unknown artist "Tea in Sokolniki", VV Truskin depicted on it the signature of the outstanding masters of Russian painting VG Perov, and then sold to the state museum. Commission from the art-examination it was found that this picture was painted by an unknown artist 60 years of the XIX century. And the artist's signature, VG Perov fake.
Artwork by an unknown artist "The sick child", which is due to VV Truskinu get an autograph of the artist FS Zhuravleva, was sold to the Sverdlovsk Art Gallery. Art criticism examination ruled out membership of paintings by the artist FS Zhuravleva.
State Art Museum BSSR VV Truskin sold four works, in particular, the painting "Spring", previously forged her signature on the Russian artist SV Ivanov. Experts recognized the signature a forgery. Thanks VV Truskinu named collection of masterpieces of painting replenished and the painting "Night Landscape" unknown Western European artist. Great running her authorial signature, the forger gave her for the work of the famous artist, SF Shchedrin. To the same museum VV Truskin sold the painting is relatively little-known artist A. Kiselev "Artist of sketches, brilliantly portraying her signature great master of painting KE Makovsky. This collection has expanded and the painting Siverko "made by an unknown artist in explanation of the same name of the IS Ostroukhova located in the Tretyakov Gallery. Agreeing with the signature, art from Minsk now recognized the true work of a famous artist. Later examination revealed that the artist's signature IS Ostroukhova forged, and the picture of the museum does not matter and not subject to monetary evaluation.
Forged on its films "The Village" and "Seascape" signed by the artist AE Arkhipova and LF Lagorio, VV Truskin sold these "masterpieces" memorial museum-estate of the artist NA Yaroshenko in Kislovodsk. The same museum has acquired in VV Truskina painting by an unknown artist "Summer Landscape" ( "Elabuga"), signed the name of a prominent Russian landscape painter II Shishkin. According to experts, these paintings and art museums do not matter.
His mastery of the counterfeiter VV Truskin successfully demonstrated during the investigative experiment, which was held in remand prison of the KGB. The accused demanded paint, weasel with a thin brush pile domarny varnish and well-primed canvas. In the presence of witnesses he painted ten forged signatures of outstanding masters of classical painting, including Makovsky, Levitan, Aivazovsky, Shishkin.
VV Truskinu managed to forge a copyright signature artists such quality that experts state museums, possessing the knowledge and skills for Art Research, as well as potential research laboratories, could not distinguish the fake from the originals. But the secret of his success not only in the signatures of artists, samples of which are reproduced in the special editions. Falsifiers able to pick up such works of unknown artists, who by genre, time and manner of execution were sufficiently close to the works of famous masters.
The scale of the VV Truskina repeatedly surpassed the Dutch painter Geert Jan Jansen. Last forged paintings by Dali, Chagall, Matisse and others, and with the help of an accomplice French market them. If only Truskin forged signature, then Jansen, a talented artist, has created about 1500 own pictures, pass them off as works of famous authors. And buyers received not only fake paintings with forged signatures of artists, but also the false certificates, allegedly compiled by experts are usually invited to identify the paintings of these artists. The highest triumph for the counterfeiter was a time when the famous artist Karl Appel, seeing his fake paintings, recognized her for the original.
Inquest Jansen lasted from 1994 to 2000 in Orleans (USA), where the master lived forgery, the police put it on display fake, hoping that deceived dealers will respond. But from the galleries and exhibition halls in Europe not they heard no sound. Apparently, nobody wanted to admit that succumbed to the deception. Scandal unexpectedly brought Jansen recognition and fame. Galleries, which had previously refused to accept the picture painted by the artist under his own name, is now offering his own exhibit. After serving a very soft penalty of years in prison Jansen has appeared regularly on Dutch television as an expert on painting * (26).
Obviously, things Truskina and Jansen are clear evidence of the limited capacity of art-examination. However, on the art-examination of a particular conversation, and it will be discussed in a separate article.

AT Bonner,
Dr. JUDr. Sciences, professor of civil process Forums,
Honored Worker of Science

"Legislation", N, 8 August 2006