Fakes ... Fakes ... - Страница 12 - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

K-Maler · 20.11.2009, 01:52

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it just seems so ... in fact, where it is immediately obvious and where there is no ..... and then the cloth for him since the mid 90s sewed one person - Ksenia Novikova - she does exactly determine ....

Verno.U Timur all tastefully. The proportions of correct and there is an exact relationship between the image and character of tissue. And we saw in all of the above options available.

U_Z · 20.11.2009, 03:13

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Especially, I assume, to tissues such situation

Stitch should look

OlegTsi · 20.11.2009, 16:36

Fresh portion of pseudo-Burliuks.

Request to all participants to this topic - expose more pictures, less controversy.

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Recently on the forum AlexandrG raised the topic of the role of art dealer in the promotion of art market ...
If the subject cross with me again raised the subject of forgery, then the result would be a pretty interesting story on the role of artdilera in advance of the market fakes ...

In 2000, in New York was arrested rather successful artdiler Eli Saha. Eli Saha, who immigrated in the 60's from Iran to the United States, with the first years of his stay in the new democratic country, became interested in antiques. Opened his gallery in one of the "gallereynyh" areas of lower Manhattan, Eli became interested in works by famous Impressionist and Post-Impressionists. The truth is not the most expensive work of this level, and the 2-tier sold in that time at the prestigious auction for 250 - 350 thousand U.S. dollars. He is often seen it at Sotheby's, at the Christie, happened in a bright purple suit, and used in clothing classic tehaskogo cowboy ...

But the essence of another. Very often, Eli was seen in the neighboring benches antiques, which he leaves with the painting bought by unidentified authors of the past century.

Nevertheless, the dealership, Eli was not noticed in the active medium of a number of other sellers of paintings, but cost to reach new trading at Sotheby's or Christie's, and Eli was right there, buying all the same is not top, but Gauguin, Monet, Chagall, Lanserin etc.

Eli Saha found the bottomless niche, which was far outside Manhattan tracking artdilerov. This Klondike was in the distant Asia, particularly in Japan, where interest in all impressionisskomu higher than anticipated ...

Eli has understood the psychology yaposkih businessmen and their desire to show off to wealthy friends. Being very trusting a piece of paper, certificates, stamps, eksertizam, but not having sufficient experience and knowledge, they have a beautiful capture of the hook from Eli Saha. The fact is that after the purchase of over 300 thousand dollars, Eli managed to sell the work in Japan for 500 thousand dollars.

"Well, everything seems good" - many would say. But the fact that he was selling the exact copy of purchased work for Sotheby's or Christie's. Eli Saha created a whole macterskuyu, which employs Chinese emigrants, translating the old paintings of unknown artists in the beautiful works of famous. And even forged frames and stretchers, no different from those in the original. Buying almost only truthful documents with the certificate, happy Asian collectors were happy and vyhvalyalis one over the other. Yet approaching the inevitable moment when the Japanese collector wanted to sell their work through the world famous auction ...
And so, after quite a short time, crossed two similar works by Paul Gauguin - at Sotheby's and Christie's. With the same instruments, same provenance. One work was sold by Eli Saha, other Asian owner. Employees of both auction houses immediately sent the pictures to Paris for examination. Later Christie stopped production of the catalog, so get out fake job. After an investigation and notified the FBI, it was found that both works had a direct relationship with Eli Saha.
Shortly there was a story in the auction house Koller, where the experienced eye, experience and intuition of the homeowner decided to conduct additional examination pictures, and it turned out that the same work is in two different collections on different sides of the hemispheres of the Earth. Again, all the ends converge to Saha.
Then the history of the works of Monet, Marie Laurencin, and so forth. Transactions have been doubly beneficial to Eli Saha, everything was rolling smoothly, given the mentality of the Japanese that if they even found out that fall for forgery - it razglaske not budge - it's too ashamed to society ...

But the time has come. The FBI has created a whole portfolio against Eli Saha. He was arrested in March 2000, but released on bail. The court in 2004 accused Eli in sodeyanii criminal offenses under 8 different items, including art forgery and fraud, but for facilitating the investigation Bulo sentence reduced to 41 months imprisonment and a fine of 12.5 million U.S. dollars. In order to pay a fine, Eli had to sell its stake in the Middle Asia oil business, which amounted to only 115 million U.S. ...

At the moment, Eli will be on, but he was forbidden ever to be engaged in the business of art ...

Here's a story. And someone said "fake out of trouble ..."

OlegTsi · 21.11.2009, 04:19

Recently on the forum AlexanderG raised the topic of the role of art dealer in the promotion of art market ...
If the subject cross with me again raised the subject of forgery, then the result would be a pretty interesting story on the role of artdilera in advance of the market fakes ...

In 2000, in New York was arrested rather successful artdiler Eli Saha. Eli Saha, who immigrated in the 60's from Iran to the United States, with the first years of his stay in the new democratic country, became interested in antiques. Opened his gallery in one of the "gallereynyh" areas of lower Manhattan, Eli became interested in works by famous Impressionist and Post-Impressionists. The truth is not the most expensive work of this level, and the 2-tier sold in that time at the prestigious auction for 250 - 350 thousand U.S. dollars. He is often seen it at Sotheby's, at the Christie, happened in a bright purple suit, and used in clothing classic tehaskogo cowboy ...

But the essence of another. Very often, Eli was seen in the neighboring benches antiques, which he leaves with the painting bought by unidentified authors of the past century.

Читать дальше...

Nevertheless, the dealership, Eli was not noticed in the active medium of a number of other sellers of paintings, but cost to reach new trading at Sotheby's or Christie's, and Eli was right there, buying all the same is not top, but Gauguin, Monet, Chagall, Lanserin etc.

Eli Saha found the bottomless niche, which was far outside Manhattan tracking artdilerov. This Klondike was in the distant Asia, particularly in Japan, where interest in all impressionisskomu higher than anticipated ...

Eli has understood the psychology yaposkih businessmen and their desire to show off to wealthy friends. Being very trusting a piece of paper, certificates, stamps, eksertizam, but not having sufficient experience and knowledge, they have a beautiful capture of the hook from Eli Saha. The fact is that after the purchase of over 300 thousand dollars, Eli managed to sell the work in Japan for 500 thousand dollars.

"Well, everything seems good" - many would say. But the fact that he was selling the exact copy of purchased work for Sotheby's or Christie's. Eli Saha created a whole macterskuyu, which employs Chinese emigrants, translating the old paintings of unknown artists in the beautiful works of famous. And even forged frames and stretchers, no different from those in the original. Buying almost only truthful documents with the certificate, happy Asian collectors were happy and vyhvalyalis one over the other. Yet approaching the inevitable moment when the Japanese collector wanted to sell their work through the world famous auction ...
And so, after quite a short time, crossed two similar works by Paul Gauguin - at Sotheby's and Christie's. With the same instruments, same provenance. One work was sold by Eli Saha, other Asian owner. Employees of both auction houses immediately sent the pictures to Paris for examination. Later Christie stopped production of the catalog, so get out fake job. After an investigation and notified the FBI, it was found that both works had a direct relationship with Eli Saha.
Shortly there was a story in the auction house Koller, where the experienced eye, experience and intuition of the homeowner decided to conduct additional examination Chagall painting, and it turned out that the same work is in two different collections on different sides of the hemispheres of the Earth. Again, all the ends converge to Saha.
Then the history of the works of Monet, Marie Laurencin, and so forth. Transactions have been doubly beneficial to Eli Saha, everything was rolling smoothly, given the mentality of the Japanese that if they even found out that fall for forgery - it razglaske not budge - it's too ashamed to society ...

But the time has come. The FBI has created a whole portfolio against Eli Saha. He was arrested in March 2000, but released on bail. The court in 2004 accused Eli in sodeyanii criminal offenses under 8 different items, including art forgery and fraud, but for facilitating the investigation sentence was reduced to 41 months imprisonment and a fine of 12.5 million U.S. dollars. In order to pay a fine, Eli had to sell its stake in the Middle Asia oil business, which amounted to only 115 million dollars. U.S. ...

At the moment, Eli will be on, but he was forbidden ever to be engaged in the business of art ...

Here's a story. And someone said "fake out of trouble ..."

NATA NOVA · 21.11.2009, 15:21

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And someone said "fake out of trouble ..."

This I say because drawing teacher (father-alone). of which (in the count-ve 200 pieces) in Sotheby's went for the originals .. He is now exposed to vsoimi forgeries officially and wrote to order (I, incidentally. Тож I) and earns a good idea-the only difference-warning-wrote: "forgery" (in my opinion, on the back) .. And many bought. (and the originals are kept in safes, special depositories)
Pray!

OlegTsi · 21.11.2009, 15:29

NATA NOVA, I was so easy, made fun, because this story with Eli Saha pretty sad. He was caught on what was selling and copies and originals of a few years. And if they did not sell, and leave the originals at home?

NATA NOVA · 21.11.2009, 15:40

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And if they did not sell, but leave the originals at home?

And why should they him? like he always needed money ...
I'm not joking, I'm curious. Here again I can not find the theme of "artist NATA NOVA" in order to put up ..
Skinte, good people to me in publ. message me there will be easier to get ..
Thank you!

OlegTsi · 21.11.2009, 15:52

Fresh smears of the pseudo-Oscar Rabin, which are sold at the moment or sold recently at auction U.S. 3-class.

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continued ...

OlegTsi · 21.11.2009, 15:55

continued ...

NATA NOVA · 21.11.2009, 16:41

Well, it's a "naked eye" can be seen even through the monitor ..
about what professionalime ( "experts") can there be?

20.11.2009, 16:36	Язык оригинала: Русский #113
OlegTsi Guest Сообщений: n/a	Fresh portion of pseudo-Burliuks. Request to all participants to this topic - expose more pictures, less controversy. Добавлено через 11 часов 43 минуты Recently on the forum AlexandrG raised the topic of the role of art dealer in the promotion of art market ... If the subject cross with me again raised the subject of forgery, then the result would be a pretty interesting story on the role of artdilera in advance of the market fakes ... In 2000, in New York was arrested rather successful artdiler Eli Saha. Eli Saha, who immigrated in the 60's from Iran to the United States, with the first years of his stay in the new democratic country, became interested in antiques. Opened his gallery in one of the "gallereynyh" areas of lower Manhattan, Eli became interested in works by famous Impressionist and Post-Impressionists. The truth is not the most expensive work of this level, and the 2-tier sold in that time at the prestigious auction for 250 - 350 thousand U.S. dollars. He is often seen it at Sotheby's, at the Christie, happened in a bright purple suit, and used in clothing classic tehaskogo cowboy ... But the essence of another. Very often, Eli was seen in the neighboring benches antiques, which he leaves with the painting bought by unidentified authors of the past century. Nevertheless, the dealership, Eli was not noticed in the active medium of a number of other sellers of paintings, but cost to reach new trading at Sotheby's or Christie's, and Eli was right there, buying all the same is not top, but Gauguin, Monet, Chagall, Lanserin etc. Eli Saha found the bottomless niche, which was far outside Manhattan tracking artdilerov. This Klondike was in the distant Asia, particularly in Japan, where interest in all impressionisskomu higher than anticipated ... Eli has understood the psychology yaposkih businessmen and their desire to show off to wealthy friends. Being very trusting a piece of paper, certificates, stamps, eksertizam, but not having sufficient experience and knowledge, they have a beautiful capture of the hook from Eli Saha. The fact is that after the purchase of over 300 thousand dollars, Eli managed to sell the work in Japan for 500 thousand dollars. "Well, everything seems good" - many would say. But the fact that he was selling the exact copy of purchased work for Sotheby's or Christie's. Eli Saha created a whole macterskuyu, which employs Chinese emigrants, translating the old paintings of unknown artists in the beautiful works of famous. And even forged frames and stretchers, no different from those in the original. Buying almost only truthful documents with the certificate, happy Asian collectors were happy and vyhvalyalis one over the other. Yet approaching the inevitable moment when the Japanese collector wanted to sell their work through the world famous auction ... And so, after quite a short time, crossed two similar works by Paul Gauguin - at Sotheby's and Christie's. With the same instruments, same provenance. One work was sold by Eli Saha, other Asian owner. Employees of both auction houses immediately sent the pictures to Paris for examination. Later Christie stopped production of the catalog, so get out fake job. After an investigation and notified the FBI, it was found that both works had a direct relationship with Eli Saha. Shortly there was a story in the auction house Koller, where the experienced eye, experience and intuition of the homeowner decided to conduct additional examination pictures, and it turned out that the same work is in two different collections on different sides of the hemispheres of the Earth. Again, all the ends converge to Saha. Then the history of the works of Monet, Marie Laurencin, and so forth. Transactions have been doubly beneficial to Eli Saha, everything was rolling smoothly, given the mentality of the Japanese that if they even found out that fall for forgery - it razglaske not budge - it's too ashamed to society ... But the time has come. The FBI has created a whole portfolio against Eli Saha. He was arrested in March 2000, but released on bail. The court in 2004 accused Eli in sodeyanii criminal offenses under 8 different items, including art forgery and fraud, but for facilitating the investigation Bulo sentence reduced to 41 months imprisonment and a fine of 12.5 million U.S. dollars. In order to pay a fine, Eli had to sell its stake in the Middle Asia oil business, which amounted to only 115 million U.S. ... At the moment, Eli will be on, but he was forbidden ever to be engaged in the business of art ... Here's a story. And someone said "fake out of trouble ..." Миниатюры Последний раз редактировалось OlegTsi; 21.11.2009 в 04:19. Причина: Добавлено сообщение

21.11.2009, 04:19	Язык оригинала: Русский #114
OlegTsi Guest Сообщений: n/a	Recently on the forum AlexanderG raised the topic of the role of art dealer in the promotion of art market ... If the subject cross with me again raised the subject of forgery, then the result would be a pretty interesting story on the role of artdilera in advance of the market fakes ... In 2000, in New York was arrested rather successful artdiler Eli Saha. Eli Saha, who immigrated in the 60's from Iran to the United States, with the first years of his stay in the new democratic country, became interested in antiques. Opened his gallery in one of the "gallereynyh" areas of lower Manhattan, Eli became interested in works by famous Impressionist and Post-Impressionists. The truth is not the most expensive work of this level, and the 2-tier sold in that time at the prestigious auction for 250 - 350 thousand U.S. dollars. He is often seen it at Sotheby's, at the Christie, happened in a bright purple suit, and used in clothing classic tehaskogo cowboy ... But the essence of another. Very often, Eli was seen in the neighboring benches antiques, which he leaves with the painting bought by unidentified authors of the past century. Читать дальше... Nevertheless, the dealership, Eli was not noticed in the active medium of a number of other sellers of paintings, but cost to reach new trading at Sotheby's or Christie's, and Eli was right there, buying all the same is not top, but Gauguin, Monet, Chagall, Lanserin etc. Eli Saha found the bottomless niche, which was far outside Manhattan tracking artdilerov. This Klondike was in the distant Asia, particularly in Japan, where interest in all impressionisskomu higher than anticipated ... Eli has understood the psychology yaposkih businessmen and their desire to show off to wealthy friends. Being very trusting a piece of paper, certificates, stamps, eksertizam, but not having sufficient experience and knowledge, they have a beautiful capture of the hook from Eli Saha. The fact is that after the purchase of over 300 thousand dollars, Eli managed to sell the work in Japan for 500 thousand dollars. "Well, everything seems good" - many would say. But the fact that he was selling the exact copy of purchased work for Sotheby's or Christie's. Eli Saha created a whole macterskuyu, which employs Chinese emigrants, translating the old paintings of unknown artists in the beautiful works of famous. And even forged frames and stretchers, no different from those in the original. Buying almost only truthful documents with the certificate, happy Asian collectors were happy and vyhvalyalis one over the other. Yet approaching the inevitable moment when the Japanese collector wanted to sell their work through the world famous auction ... And so, after quite a short time, crossed two similar works by Paul Gauguin - at Sotheby's and Christie's. With the same instruments, same provenance. One work was sold by Eli Saha, other Asian owner. Employees of both auction houses immediately sent the pictures to Paris for examination. Later Christie stopped production of the catalog, so get out fake job. After an investigation and notified the FBI, it was found that both works had a direct relationship with Eli Saha. Shortly there was a story in the auction house Koller, where the experienced eye, experience and intuition of the homeowner decided to conduct additional examination Chagall painting, and it turned out that the same work is in two different collections on different sides of the hemispheres of the Earth. Again, all the ends converge to Saha. Then the history of the works of Monet, Marie Laurencin, and so forth. Transactions have been doubly beneficial to Eli Saha, everything was rolling smoothly, given the mentality of the Japanese that if they even found out that fall for forgery - it razglaske not budge - it's too ashamed to society ... But the time has come. The FBI has created a whole portfolio against Eli Saha. He was arrested in March 2000, but released on bail. The court in 2004 accused Eli in sodeyanii criminal offenses under 8 different items, including art forgery and fraud, but for facilitating the investigation sentence was reduced to 41 months imprisonment and a fine of 12.5 million U.S. dollars. In order to pay a fine, Eli had to sell its stake in the Middle Asia oil business, which amounted to only 115 million dollars. U.S. ... At the moment, Eli will be on, but he was forbidden ever to be engaged in the business of art ... Here's a story. And someone said "fake out of trouble ..." Последний раз редактировалось OlegTsi; 21.11.2009 в 14:53.

21.11.2009, 15:52	Язык оригинала: Русский #118
OlegTsi Guest Сообщений: n/a	Fresh smears of the pseudo-Oscar Rabin, which are sold at the moment or sold recently at auction U.S. 3-class. Добавлено через 3 минуты continued ... Миниатюры Последний раз редактировалось OlegTsi; 21.11.2009 в 15:55. Причина: Добавлено сообщение

21.11.2009, 15:55	Язык оригинала: Русский #119
OlegTsi Guest Сообщений: n/a	continued ... Миниатюры

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