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artcol, it's pretty simple - an abstraction - the composition and colors, do not rely on figurative everyday life.
Yes, there are criteria for evaluation of abstract painting and they are not to many of the criteria otltchayutsya painting realisticheskoy.Esli child draw abracadabra, it is her, and will remain, and no one would never call it "creation" искусством.Профессиональный abstract painter, even in abstraction will solve the problem really is quite realistic if we are talking about kartine.Vo first this will be the layout, that is the location on the sheet. It is also bringing in a harmonious state of the elements of painting: an array of color (combinations), the line ugly.Navernyaka would be some dominant, the center of the composition, will be subordinate elementy.Vse something that relates to kompozitsii.Budet solved kloristicheskaya zadacha.Dlya better implementation ideas will be selected by a certain technique, all as in realism. According to this criterion (rather objective) can already do some otsenki.Drugie criteria are for the area of the lens, namely, how big are the problems that poses an artist, how to impact on the viewer and the associative system. And about the realism, you can also skazat.No not forget that after all, many artists being determines consciousness, and therefore (regardless of our desire) to nhudozhnikov somehow affect "everyday figurative and periodically asking for their abstract paintings <! - ~ 1 ~ ->)



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Старый 15.02.2011, 22:27 Язык оригинала: Русский       #42
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Yes, there are criteria for evaluation of abstract painting and they are not to many of the criteria otltchayutsya painting realisticheskoy.Esli child draw abracadabra, it is her, and will remain, and no one would never call it "creation" abstract искусством.Профессиональный artist even in the abstract is quite realistic to solve the problem so if we're talking about kartine.Vo first this will be the layout, that is the location on the sheet. It is also bringing in a harmonious state of the elements of painting: an array of color (combinations), the line will ugly.Navernyaka some dominant, center of the composition, will be subordinate elementy.Vse something that relates to kompozitsii.Budet solved kloristicheskaya zadacha.Dlya better implementation ideas will be selected by a certain technique, all as in realism. According to this criterion (rather objective) can already do some otsenki.Drugie criteria are for the area of the lens, namely, how big are the problems that poses an artist, how to impact the viewer and an associative system. And about the realism, you can also skazat.No not forget that after all, many artists being determines consciousness, and therefore (regardless of our desire) to nhudozhnikov somehow affect "everyday figurative and periodically asking for their abstract paintings <! - ~ 1 ~ ->)
If this is the case, as you say, it turns out that it is stylized to abstraction, so his non-figurative Marafet the sake of our everyday perception system. And the complete lack of spontaneity, whose role, in my opinion, in abstract art is paramount. It seems to me that abstract art - an attempt to overcome the limitations of our tools of perception, to go beyond it. It was here, in my opinion, should seek evaluation criteria of abstract art.



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I also think that abstract art - an attempt to overcome the limitations of our tools of perception, to go beyond it. It was here, in my opinion, should seek evaluation criteria of abstract art.
Stanislavsky, yet does not catch up, where are you getting at?



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Thank you all for an interesting topic, interesting links and comments. Read with great pleasure.
Ingarden wrote, of course, nudnovato, but in essence he's right. ".. In any structure depicting the picture as it contains some neizobrazhayuschaya picture ... as its essential component and that the value of this component depends strongly on the aesthetic value of the whole picture. "
I would say easier. Any picture - it's just a combination of tsvetoform. It is this combination determines the aesthetic value of the painting. Artists by their very nature, a warehouse and external factors at work with tsvetoformami leaning more toward either the form or in the direction of color. In this case, simply put, the priority of color "kills" the shape and form of priority "kills" the color. Or: the maximum shape - at least in color, and vice versa, the maximum color - at least form. That is why Ingres said that the shape and color - antagonists. Deviation in any of the parties is not infinite and has a limit. For clarity, an example. "Mona Lisa" example at the point of priority forms. By color - it's actually grisaille, nobody discusses the advantages of this colorful picture. All the enthusiasm concerning the mysterious smile, eyes, position of hands, etc., that is, form. Contemporaries also very skeptical of Leonardo as an artist, because in those days, the balance in the painting is clearly leaning toward colors and Leonardo knocked out of the total number.
"Black Square" - an example of an extreme point of priority of color. Form of elementary and .. like is secondary, respective utility with respect to color properties, and is the only organizing factor. Important here - the color spot color masses without any interference, because color is the most profitable local spot. It is a flat local spot has the greatest impact on perceptions.
(Abstract painting can be called a kind of "toy harmony", but as Pushkin said: "The mind can not be satisfied with some toys harmony, imagination requires pictures and stories." Picasso knew it, so came away from pure abstraction. Therefore, the same age of abstraction, will not be long. )
All the space of painting lies between these extremes, as here told to "slide rule". Each artist chooses his place on the closed interval. In this regard, the abstractionist painter does not differ from the artist's classicist, gently issuing the sepia fingers at the foot of Jupiter. They just have different priorities, but they are both in the space of painting. "So, for example, works by Rembrandt will be fine in a different way than the paintings of Raphael or Leonardo da Vinci. And almost impossible to say that the product of one higher than another, for example, self-portrait by Rembrandt in the fez beautiful a portrait of Leonardo da Vinci's Mona Lisa, or his. "
Harmonious combination of form and color, in my opinion, the biggest challenge for the artist. It is only by great talent. Our century - the century of the weak, so we have to choose what to "kill" - the shape or color to make your life easier. Most choose the "death" form, it is easier, no need to spend years training.



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Stanislavsky, yet does not catch up, where are you getting at?
Lord, well, what did you blunt! "Abstraction (in the extreme, the absolute, the totality of its form) as opposed to other" methods "do not shows, but only and exclusively is deep, unconscious intention of the human person. This is evidenced by Pollock:
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"The method of artistic writing naturally grows out of needs. I want to express my feelings, rather than depict them. Technique - it's just a tool that allows you to create artistic statement ... I can control the flow of paint: accidents this does not happen, as there is no beginning and no end. "
Painter of the" creator "voluntarily turns it into a weapon of unknown elements, giving themselves to their will in the name of" breakthrough "in reality, standing outside world, comprehends our senses. Abstraction is "to do", a stylized, focused on our cultural paradigm that looks like a secondary and artificial.
And the last. On the criteria. Total abstraction which annihilates whatever principles of interpretation, which means that all interpretations take on the same ontological status, that is, each of which will be valid and no less important than the interpretation of the artist.




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A harmonious combination of form and color, in my opinion, the biggest challenge for the artist. It is only by great talent. Our century - the century of the weak, so we have to choose what to "kill" - the shape or color to make your life easier. Most choose the "death" form, it is easier, no need to spend years training.
DSF, great! Write often, your posts are very few!
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Total abstraction which annihilates whatever principles of interpretation, which means that all interpretations take on the same ontological status, that is, each of which will be valid and no less important than the interpretation of the artist.
This characteristic figure of the child under the age of five years and one way to tell about the art of abstraction hapless adult buyer.

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Abstraction (in the extreme, the absolute, the totality of its form) as opposed to other "methods" do not shows, but only and exclusively is deep, unconscious intention of the human person.
However mnee we consider an abstraction in the visual arts (this is not music), but here we see the image, so the criteria we apply the appropriate, but that does not beg that the "stream of unconsciousness" which throws buckets of the artist on canvas (Pollack did it literally). But he makes the harmonization of the chaotic potoka.U artist all the laws of composition, rhythm and cromatics sit deep inside through many years of study, theory and praktiki.Emu ESPECIALLY do not think about it (as some think, but it is not visible) . By issuing another batch of unconsciousness artist immediately, reactive, spontaneous, if you want to convert, leads her to finish and harmonious synthesis, as a result of that we can confidently say that we face is abstract paintings, and not something else ... .




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, thus there is a harmonization of this chaotic potoka.U artist all the laws of composition, rhythm and cromatics sit deep inside through many years of study, theory and practice.
"Harmonization" and "laws of composition, rhythm and cromatics" as you put it, happens in our head, not on the canvas. This is our interpretation, and this also is a great projective role of abstraction as a tool for our understanding of ourselves as individuals, as a species and as idea.



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, thus there is a harmonization of this chaotic potoka.U artist all the laws of composition, rhythm and cromatics sit deep inside through many years of study, theory and practice.
"Harmonization" and "laws of composition, rhythm and cromatics" as you put it, happens in our head, not on the canvas. This is our interpretation, and this also is a great projective role of abstraction as a tool for our understanding of ourselves as individuals, as a species and as idea.



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First gained worldwide fame masterpiece of abstract painting - "Portrait of Catherine Lesko, a courtesan" (completed no later than 1832) - was inspired by the desire to realize on canvas absolute the ideal of female beauty.
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came closer, they
noticed in the corner of the picture the tip of the bare feet, stands out from the chaos of colors,
tones of indeterminate shades, forming a kind of shapeless nebula -
the tip of the beautiful legs, feet of living. They are dumbfounded amazement before this
fragment, the survivors of the incredible, slow, gradual destruction.
foot in the picture produced the same impression as the torso of some
Venus of Parian marble in the ruins of the burnt city.
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Some of these spots is the shadow robbed me a lot
forces. See, here, at cheek, at eye, is easy penumbra,
that in nature, if you pay attention to it, you will find almost
inexpressible. And as you might think, except this effect do not cost me unheard
works? And then, my dear Porbus consider-ka attentively my work, and
you better understand what I told you about roundness and contour.
Look at lights on his chest and noticed that with some highlights and
convex, densely superimposed strokes I was able to concentrate here now
light, combining it with brilliant whiteness of the illuminated body, and how, conversely,
removing the convexity and roughness of the paint, always smoothing the contours of my
figures, where it is immersed in the twilight, I achieved that without a trace
destroyed the picture, and every artifice and gave the lines of the body
roundness, existing in nature
. Come closer, you'll see what happens
invoice. From a distance it does not make out. Here it is, I think, a very worthy
attention.

Art-lover, such work can not be considered "a masterpiece of abstract painting." Not in the sense that it can not be a masterpiece, but that can not be abstract. You posted an excerpt should, rather, to open an anthology devoted to Impressionism, but no it does not abstract art. Pay attention to selected parts of my text. This question is fundamental for the understanding of abstract art (here is an entire issue devoted to it).




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