Authenticity??

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Сообщение от Kaffsky

signed by the year 1840

This is the service in 1840.

Of course, to be sure, it is necessary to compare a living.

Seems to me that the recipe of letters and numbers is not quite similar.

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Сообщение от Artem ; 2088631"

So I sketched out the sea with the sun , as we see when we come to the shore. Then erase the horizon line and draw it below intentionally , but because it should be. Repeating , "sits" better. Here Orlovsky, Aivazovsky , yes anyone. This is the rule. I see you did not know as well as the artist painted the boat .

What - am I? Am I - well , I excused . The horror that Donatovich and Vladimir , God rest his soul , did not realize until the end ... Well, he did not know how to " throw the sun ," according to the latest directives of the Ministry of Higher and Secondary Education ... Already taldychili him taldychili : wash the horizon , erasing the horizon , and he - in any <! - ~ 1 ~ -> !

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Well, some more stuff ... (Although , again, here you can throw almost all of the content of the album Bulgakov. Plus - Academic albums exhibitions, which exhibited his landscapes VD )
But something tells me that you still stay with my opinion on the low waist line (to coat better than " sitting " <! - ~ 1 ~ ->).
For it is said : " A man - what a bull. Vtemyashitsya to head off what a whim, a stake it does not ottudova vybesh ."
( Just in case : it is not , I said . It - Nekrasov ...)

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Tom, I grieve you, perhaps the last. Thinking, talking , do not say ... And then , decided to tell you! (You Well - an artist , drew out a solnushko ... And I explained everything ...)
The first of these paintings you do not have to Orlovsky any relation . fufel - one hundred percent . Just the same golimy fufel . Also - a very low level. And the paintings - monstrous and false signature . Believe you me on the floor.
(This number drops out of the theme of authenticity figure Aivazovsky, and yet ... still better to be referenced to absolute standards <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Oh, and some more stuff ... (Although , again, here you can throw almost all content of the album Bulgakov. Plus - albums Academic exhibitions where VD exhibited his landscapes)
But something tells me that you are still left to his own opinion on the low waistline (to coat better than "sitting " >).
For it is said : " A man - a bull . Vtemyashitsya to head off what whim, its stake ottudova vybesh not ."
( Just in case it does not , I said. This - Nekrasov ...)

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Tom, I grieve you, perhaps, the last. Thinking, talking , not talking ... And then I decided , I say! ( Well you - the artist , look how solnushko drawn ... and explained everything to me ...)
The first of these paintings you do not have to Orlovsky any relation . fufel - one hundred percent . Just did golimy fufel . Also - very low level. And the painting - the monstrous , and the signature forged. Believe you my word.
(This is the topic of a few drops of the authenticity of the picture Aivazovsky, and yet ... Invoke better though on absolute standards >

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Сообщение от dabbler ; 2089291"

I grieve you, perhaps the last. Thinking, talking , do not say ... And then decided to tell you - !

So competent fufel . Incidentally, the brand that you have shown , too educated ! In those moments of which I spoke .
By the way, the boat does not bother you in the picture? I am , yes. The body volume of almost everything together inflated sails. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Artem ; 2089621"

So fufel literate .

Yes, it does not mean anything . In addition, we should not , without proper justification to judge everything from buffalo - to Barbizon .
Featured fufel you - absolutely , completely , endlessly ignorant ! Helpless . Ironic . Primitive .
Everything else ( on the " marks" ) - Nikolai Nekrasov, clean ...
" The ship in the picture " does not bother me . I - not an expert in the field of shipbuilding, ship's rigging and rigging. ( My knowledge in this area are limited to the magic words " clipper ", " Skipper ", " jib ", " sheet " and " bong - Brahms - mast " <! - 7 ~ ~ ->)
So stupidly still consider drawing submitted for discussion , if not absolutely true , in any case - a worthy addition to show it a good expert. As the chart. Aivazovsky. Ivan Konstantinovich .

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Сообщение от dabbler ; 2090041"

Shown fufel you - absolutely , completely , endlessly ignorant !

And who told you that this is fufel ? You spent the expertise ?
 

In addition, it is not worth without proper justification to judge everything .

The forum is the subject of forgery , with your statements there. At the same time write to the sites where the show this picture, do a good deed , and all ignorant , they think it's VD Orlov "Summer Landscape" 1874.
http://www.art-catalog.ru/picture.php?id_picture=15747
etc.
I recently brought a similar pattern Aivazovsky with the same error , and said that Turkey was taken .

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Сообщение от Artem ; 2090351"

Who told you that this is fufel ? You spent examination ?

Do not want to bicker with you about nothing , the more that you are partly right : examination of the work I did not. But even stylistically submitted by you ...... does not hold water .
Let me also add that the fiscal functions - not on my part. Be asked - will answer. And justify . (I - I would venture to notice - not at ' sketched solnushko ").
And where am I on this forum should go and where not to be - that's the most , let me decide. ( Serfdom in our God-preserved Homeland canceled 150 or so years ago).
M- and - scarlet tip: when discussing the artists whose work is well represented in museum collections, refer to museum standards . Or - to publish in his lifetime . Do not quench the thirst for knowledge from dubious sources - you can catch cholera .
With komprivetom , Dilettante .

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Сообщение от Artem; 2090351"

do a good deed, and all ignorant, they think it's VD Orlov "Summer Landscape" 1874.

Oh, Tom, why are you up to persevere! Just though educational program is personalized for you to uncover. In April 1874 V.D.Orlovsky went back to Italy. (In any case, as the biographer of the artist claimed, F.I.Bulgakov. In the words of Vladimir Donatovich. Lied, you think?) In Italy he left; in Italy, not in Penza province. The difference - feel? Are you really think acre swamp with a lopsided trees species unknown to science in Italy is nothing to write? Or so loved Vladimir Donatovich pools with reeds, that no matter where you come - at once with a sketchbook in a pool of running? And in a sudden frenzy begins to visit him a kind of a crap paint? Here netushki!
This - the first place. Now - secondly: photo belongs to the infamous "White City". A picture of you so inappropriately chosen from all the huge creative heritage of Professor V.D.Orlovskogo painting, is not known where.
And do not worry you that at least one serious expert on domestic art, "thinks it's VD Orlov," Summer Landscape "1874." This masterpiece is enough to take a look ... Take a look and you ...

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I'm not an expert on Aivazovsky and Orlovsky, just want to mention some points.

A. Realists seem to have to draw a horizon line, where it is?
   Or I do not understand something?
  By drawing stood at a considerable elevation, which follows from the figure. Hence - the horizon line can be very low. Another thing - what an artist like (or such a fashion) with the lowest point of the draw,
 and the other - high.

Two. The boat was originally a smaller, apparently.
   See the "double" the stern trim. The nose, too, in my opinion, is increased relative to the original size, but it will not undertake to say.
All this - at 3 inches. I do not know what should be the spices to the ships, to distinguish the hand of the Master's hand, and just a professional (I think, no student is forged, if it is a fake) on such a scale.

Three. Shot. I see there are many specialists and cannon shots.
   I think that there is no way the "right" to draw the trace of a shot.
  In this case - he painted "a boy", as we see it in 10 years, playing at soldiers \\\\ ships.
 And what an artist since he could not? Not from a boy's love for the sea and ships grew his creativity? Or, he worked with the feelings of "eminent marine painter"?

 How often do all he could see the artist vysrely?
 Came out with a piece of paper to the sea - and then rushing a battleship under full sail on the cliffs and the firing of guns?
 Rather, the question should be - and would Aivazovsky painting this story? After the ship pipets, sorry.


4. Almost any discussion is reduced to the position of "All-shnyaga."
    A "inside" the image looks very few people. Skushnovat.

Five. Need expert handwriting, paper and ink. No allegations "sits - not sitting" not a jot nearer.

[uriart]

Artem, if you insist that this is the work of VD Orlov, then I can assure you that there is!

Orlovsky is not painted, definitely!

Believe Diletatnt, says that she knows!