Authenticity??

[Kaffsky]

Сообщение от Nicholas Levenko

But we must bear in mind that for the 23-year-old beginner artists, in 1839, took part in the amphibious operation, an attempt to convey the dynamics of the initial flight of the nucleus. In this figure the search.

Figure "Zalp" signed by the 1840 year.
This year's young, but not a "beginner" painter Aivazovsky received the rank of artist from the Imperial Academy of Arts ... <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Сообщение от Nicholas Levenko

"That's why in this figure paintings typical of Aivazovsky songs we do not see, it is just a sketch, and the composition most often built by the artist directly to canvas.

In this case, all right, because we compare the construction of tracks
 correct to-be (which I did) - the picture with a picture, not the picture of the finished fabric. Although the paintings would also cost-comparison.

meaning in this case is as follows:

What would be exactly sure of the authorship of Aivazovsky, you must
first make an analysis of the paper to meet the mid-19th century.

Then remove all the controversial issues related to the manner of writing the "volley" and many other elements in this figure.

Important role in this case will play provenance pattern.

It was, of course would be better if the work was signed by 1839 year, when the artist painted images from nature, as a witness amphibious operations.

In 1840 Aivazovsky could write the ship's volley only for the memory
 being in Feodosia, Yalta, Kerch, on the way to St. Petersburg or in the St. Petersburg on his way to Italy or in Italy. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[Маркович]

Thanks for the opinions vsem.Istina have somewhere ryadom.Sam picture I just love it.

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and what to do next?

[Toinen]

Сообщение от Kaffsky

to analyze the paper to match the mid-19th century

I do not see any sense.
Find an old paper (especially in this format) is not a problem, even I have heaps of it.

Сообщение от Markovic

and what to do next?

A further examination should be done at a reputable institution.

[Артём]

Сообщение от Toinen; 2087511"

A further examination should be done at a reputable institution .

That's right!
My opinion - it's sophomoric , but not Aivazovsky . Brasayutsya eye is wrong.
1.Otsutstvie low level of the horizon. This technique used by almost all artists Aivazovsky, Orlovsky, Levitan , etc. That is, paper is written as if to drop to the ground , then all the pieces "sit" on a desk . Compare . Here in the picture the ship on the horizon , but the line has been omitted. He's like on the mound .
2.Chelovechki the same three in a row , the artist is called a " fence " - not a professional ! Do not repeat the pros do ! And Aivazovsky was a school , God forbid !
3.Sam boat drawn , no doubt , without the knowledge of the case are not sure , the bubble of some sort.

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Сообщение от Artem ; 2088201"

lack of low -level skyline. This technique used by almost all artists Aivazovsky, Orlovsky, Levitan , etc.

Well, V.D.Orlovskogo , let's say it - more the exception than the rule. There are landscapes and high horizon line , and low , and clearly divides the composition in height into two almost equal parts <! - ~ 1 ~ ->. Depending on the author of the artistic problem. The same applies to "etc. " (ie, all the Russian landscape II half of XIX - early XX centuries).
And what are they used were " pripadat " to the ground , then? Listen without jumping a gate of ? Perhaps Aivazovsky low horizon line is more common , but still - not a dogma.
 As for the discussion of work : I agree with the esteemed srl Nicholas Levenko : Indeed, in some graphical methods are similar to Perov paintings by Aivazovsky , and - exactly the period.
To say the same about the end of the 1830s Aivazovsky was a " hoo , what a master !" I personally do not allow a good visual memory and a collection of Feodosia art gallery ...

[Kaffsky]

Сообщение от Artem

 Brasayutsya eye is wrong.
1.Otsutstvie low level of the horizon. Compare.
 Here in the picture the ship on the horizon, but the line has been omitted.
 He as the Mount....

Exactly, ie, not' comfort' ...

Including this "Question" - one of the principal,
 which does not allow to determine the degree of authenticity
This figure Aivazovsky.

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Сообщение от [B

Amateur[/B]; 2088331]
To say the same about the end of the 1830s Aivazovsky was a "hoo, what master!"
I personally do not allow a good visual memory and a collection of Feodosia art gallery ...

Amateur, or to be more specific, we talk about the year 1840.

This year, the young artist Ivan Aivazovsky brings to St. Petersburg
The following picture, namely:

" Marines in Subashi ", " Type of warships from Sevastopol ", "Seashore",
 to show them to the Russian Emperor Nicholas the First.

The first two works, ie "Marines" and "Sevastopol" Nicholas I for the
4000 rubles (which is very expensive, due to modesty I.K.A.) bought them for myself.

I think that the "bullshit" any "ignoramus frank" is not acquired, would ... <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Сообщение от dabbler ; 2088331"

Listen , Do not jump gate of ?

Absolutely! The voice of the earth. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Сообщение от dabbler ; 2088331"

There are landscapes and high horizon line , and low , and clearly divides the composition in height into two almost equal parts

You will excuse me, did not understand. I was talking about dogma for all literate artists. This may seem a trick , but at a certain level - is the norm , automatism.
So I sketched out the sea with the sun , as we see when we come to the shore. Then erase the horizon line and draw it below intentionally , but because it should be. Repeating , "sits" better. Here Orlovsky, Aivazovsky , yes anyone. This is the rule. I see you did not know as well as the artist painted the boat .

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Сообщение от Kaffsky; 2088401"

Amateur, to be specific, we talk about the year 1840.

Thank you, I am able to work closely with the text. A "1840" specifically "late 1830" to a maximum of 2 years ...

Сообщение от Kaffsky; 2088401"

I think that "bullshit" any "frank ignoramus" is not acquired, would ...

And in my (amateurish, of course) between the eyes "hoo, what a master" and "ignorant frank" - phenomenally gifted and hardworking 23-year-old young man.
And you have some strange idea, what befit show "The Russian Emperor Nicholas the First." (A propos, to which so much enthusiasm? And I had no idea to question the numerous advantages of HIH Emperor Nicholas I. But I have a hymn, with your permission, will not sing - not in his voice now .)
So, let's continue. Emperor is often purchased and not first-rate things, that the young artist to support. And morally, and financially.
And so in a situation with Aivazovsky - and even more so. Poradel emperor talented young man, son bazaar elders who had come to Petersburg to study for 2 more than a thousand miles away, ordered to take the IAH at public expense. Here are infinitely grateful to the benefactor of amateur painter and report back ... as, indeed, was supposed to. (Yes, and now relies).
P.S. (Whisper: Tell me, Mr. Kaffsky, and you really believe that "Marines in the Subashi" 1839 is different then what outstanding artistic merit?)

[Kaffsky]

Amateur, we are in the theme, and I among them , express their views on our forumchanin:

Сообщение от Markovic

Hello! Advice on the authenticity of this picture ? Is Aivazovsky ?

And do it with the seriousness and respect
to Great master - Ivan Aivazovsky ...

Сообщение от dabbler

P.S. ( Whisper : Tell me, Mr. Kaffsky, and you really think
 that " Marines in the Subashi " 1839 is different then what distinguished art virtues ?)

Amateur, the question your interest ... <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Was correct , would you open a separate theme on the merits
and disadvantages of paintings by Aivazovsky ( original ), in which we would have to debate ... <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Kaffsky; 2088751"

And do it with the seriousness and respect
to the Grand Master - Ivan Aivazovsky ...

Yes, God , are you mine! Well, not born Aivazovsky Grand Master ! And not all of his work put on a step, and consider equivalent to their artistic merit on the grounds that over the years has become a great master , Ivan Konstantinovich !
The Lord gave him the talent , and he was not wasted , as many , not buried in the ground , he worked his entire life , hands very hard . But we are discussing the picture belongs to a hypothetical 23 -year-old ( beginner ) artist.
Let us not then kneel down and sing hosanna choir , for the y the Grand Master Ivan Aivazovsky has never been a weak work!!!