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sergejnowo, if a sober look at life, the basis of the socio-economic structure is hunting with her opposition to the "good-evil."

[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от Magnolia ; 3081211"

" good - evil "

yes.
Therefore , there are two possibilities left ustakanilos problem examinations.
First , in the form of an order , such as the Old Man in Belarus, wrote zalipuhu - short court and prison.
Second , life - market itself will solve the problem in time course. When the final buyer to realize that such a piece of paper and you goosey idiot.

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Сообщение от sergejnowo; 3081231"

with the time course

In such a market time placed a few human lives, including life deceived .

I think that with a very large "eventually" the financial side of all metaphysical wither away . Will only reimbursable materiel. First shazhochkami this trend is already there.

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Сообщение от Artem

So you go to court that Rant on this subject. Interesting to see how this will end . I believe you something catalogs fakes hurt ... If so ... That all in your hands ! ..

I think so ... - it's your fantasy. Personally, I do not hurt . By the help of experts addressed over the past ten years a couple - three times . No reason to me to go to court . Questions fakes, I start to worry only when they begin to chat and to escalate the situation , rewashing ancient scandals . You still remember the Christmas of Antiquaries , probably 10 years have passed, and on TV is still cool, is not appeased . Order has become more not need a bunch of old havoc .

Сообщение от Artem

Much to my regret I do not have to do with it ( the redistribution of market expertise ) and why I'm interested in questions relating to forgery .... I will share with you a little later. OK.

 A pity then that if work honestly - not the most profitable business , and high likelihood of problems .
 Promising that discussion , you will share later, thus you recognize - a special awareness of it.

Сообщение от Artem

I wonder what purpose you are interested in fakes and are not afraid to assert so indiscriminately that THG at personal exhibitions you can see the fakes that the expert or you have confirmation from the experts your statements ... then specifically detailing .... but you will not do this because you and may sue and yet it may not be safe for health .... that's it! I have neither the time nor the inclination to engage in demagoguery about anything .

Every word was ready to answer and not indiscriminately do not blame anyone . Again , for those who have not heard - GTG were fakes B. Grigoriev. The exhibition "Flowers" were too. Wrote about it in the guestbook ( left his STA ) , in three or four months was the call from a friend expert. Prior to trial, it did not come , and limited household conversations. Especially for health do not watch , quit smoking two years ago. If you do not get a moment of time ... and explain your interest in the topic of fakes ? Do not respond in Odessa style and do not guess that I would do and what to say.
 For its part, responds to you as a simple collector - " Otherwise , any speculation in art, activities Pseudo cause irreparable harm Russian art market and the confidence of potential buyers. "

By the way here than something similar to interview Mr. Tairova with what you wrote.
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Archive version of the newspaper " Moskovsky Korrespondent "

In the CHA curse encyclopedia fakes

Elena Arbuzov. 15.04.2008 20:07:55

English art dreams destroy the Russian antiques market hands Rossvyazokhrankultura

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Oleg Tairov host gallery "Belvedere" - an antique dealer with twenty years . He stood at the origins of the Russian Antique Salon and knows about him such details , which we do not guess . However, according to Oleg, such facts should not be silenced . Especially in light of recent events

 * neither of which he did not believe HALF YEAR ALREADY , leave him alone . *
 
 This gives a 20%return per year
 

- Why do people ANTIQUES ?

- Good attachment. The most reliable. In the year gives 15-20 %profit. It's better than buying stocks or gold. Or currency .

- A love of art ?

- Collector auctions and showrooms God forbid 10%. Buy things for the rest of their liquidity .

often see

- MAJOR CUSTOMERS WHO in this auction ?

- Representatives of the middle class. Small and medium-sized businesses .

- oligarchy HAPPEN ?

- Only those who by force of circumstances tied to Russia and most of the time is here. Pyotr Aven , for example. We sometimes see it here . And celestials prefer to buy antiques abroad, at the famous Sotheby's auction type , Christie, Bonhams in England in Stockholm or Uppsala.

people stuffed

- WHY NOT AT HOME ?

- And now the West is not much " fight " for antiques and paintings. That's before when it became possible, auctions and antiques shops, caused a stir. Now people are " stuffed ." All have got what they wanted , and now taken from a passion for sport - to give back to the business. And yet , if we do our experts and purchases then mainly abroad . They believe that at home they will certainly deceived and vparil any forgery.

conditions of Play

- there were precedents ?

- Nobody is immune. And the fraud may vtyuhat and the West. To err is human . Besides the fundamental expertise is not cheap , and spend it only works for a very expensive - where the price is measured by six zeros . Generally buying antiques - this game is like the stock market. Man puts money without being absolutely sure to win . You either get a big jackpot or produesh . In the West, it's all know and accept the conditions of the game. Our same certainly need absolute guarantees . They believe that they can provide only in the West , and that in their native homeland necessarily deceived.

finally disappoint

- WHY so gloomy ?

- Thank encyclopedia fakes that whirlwind burst into life with antique country.

- a book that was presented on the opening day SALON ?

- The same . In fact it is well- planned action by the collapse of Russian antiques market .

- who's behind this ?

- Main interest belongs to those who publishes the encyclopedia - gallery "Triumph". Her owners Vladimir Zakharov Yemelyan Roschin and consist share with some English iskusstvovedshey that hit western road works on our market . Authors such as Hearst, Kunz , Ernst there are astronomically expensive, and no one takes them longer . But in Russia , they think people just pounce on these artists. But it does disappoint them completely in our artists . But how ? Of course , make sure that most of us Shishkin - it does not Shishkin , and, say , some muddy Pupkin . And so on . Note , they do it on purpose, because the current directory - this is the fourth edition, updated . The first edition went to three cheers , and goes after it . Paper can endure . These guys are careful and act wisely . Notice how they called his opus : "Caution : possible fake ." One word "possible" - and they have already guaranteed themselves from the proceedings. We like you just recommend , or rather do not recommend buying this one, and that this work , as they may be fakes. Everything seemed to be so innocent , his reputation tarnished our antique dealers , and we lose profit. Our business is simply worth .

Nobody rein

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Сообщение от sergejnowo; 3081231"

ustakanilos problem left examinations.
First , in the form of an order , such as the Old Man in Belarus, wrote zalipuhu - short court

And as her ustakanilos ?
I asked a list of those who received the " license " for this kind of activity , and long lists of everything , like legitimately received such mandates .
Many questions arise when you know the intricacies of the course of things in art.
Found that too many middlemen from hastily prepared in this area without any education and practice. Or completely classical education (Academy , university) , but the practice was not at all . A " piece of paper " an expert there .
And what is an art education ? This collection of information " that was then ": history , biography, information about life , costumes and ideas. Create " art " surprised Grabar , relatively recently. Today, the word sounds like a spell ...
Expert - is primarily experience ...
 Not taken to attract artists with an academic education at least for consultation ...
If wrong - is one thing, but if " zalipuha " , then it's a scam and there are laws and without " Batko " ... but it is necessary to prove ...
Basner case is interesting as a precedent ... What is possible and what is impossible ...
What are the limits of expertise ... and the level of potential fraud ...
All is quiet developed until you come up to make pictures of the currency.
And it turned out , both here on the forum, it was said by a professional case that the laws of the market in art is not work the same as everywhere else .
Goods , but not so ...