Why different prices for examination?

[Glasha]

Another question on the experts: why so different prices for examination? (because there are a number of experts), and is there enough inspection experts and specialists to confirm (there are also cases where obvious!), or is required, plus technology-X-ray diffraction study?
And if the latter is not necessary, then the final price will be less expertise? Do I understand?

[qwerty]

Gala, the price of expertise vary for several reasons. First, of where you are doing examination: the cost of examination by an expert familiar lower than in organizations such as the Grabar Institute or the Russian Museum. This is understandable: the familiar plumber to fix your tap for less money than a company specializing in plumbing services. Secondly, from what you give for examination: the examination of small watercolors, of course, is less examination meter of oil, and examination of a little-known artist is the artist's less expensive. The latter is not very logical, but it is so. Third, how simple examination: if you bring the thing published, say, the catalog of the artist and the expert is to determine only that it was the same thing, not the copy is, of course, much easier than attributirovat unknown work of a particular artist. Fourthly, on the kind of expertise you order - the technological or art history. It is believed that technological expertise is more expensive because it requires a special sophisticated equipment and trained to work on it specialists. Actually, believe me, today there is no hundred percent methods for determining the time of job. That is, with the help of this equipment can be determined only relatively recently created things, and even then not always. I have seen many examples where similar organizations, such as shirokorazreklamirovanny Artkonsalting, were mistaken as to one or the other side: the real work of, say, the thirties of the twentieth century attributirovali post-war period, and, conversely, fakes, made in the eighties, attributirovali Twenty years of the last century.
In fact, a specialist in fifty percent of cases rather than five minutes to figure out the real thing or not. So - my advice to owning a good consultant. This will save you a lot of time and money in comparison with an independent search for truth.

[Glasha]

qwerty,
Thanks again for a full response.
Of course, it would be great to have a familiarity with the expert ...
- A good consultant (hopefully, their number is greater than a list of Confederation) is a good gallerist, or again an expert?
- And if there is a list of "good advisers"?

(But again, in my opinion, the only personal contact and intuition, because looking at the list of galleries of my friends agrees with the gallery "Albion" (objectively and professionally) and in the same list (not write who, what), which left a very negative impression)

- And how difficult to attribute a little work of a great artist, if you say it never was fixed? And if this is possible at all (at the positive artistic and other examinations, or it will still be an indicator of risk-yellow? But there is such a girl to pose, the artist made a small masterpiece, and immediately gave her, and lay this shedevrik nowhere zasvechivayas multi - many years?

[qwerty]

Gala, a good adviser - is, of course, a good gallerist, because, first, as I wrote, there are no experts, equally well versed in all the artists and gallery owner, knows all the experts and therefore knows what the experts to show a specific job. Moreover, secondly, a gallery owner, in contrast to experts, in keeping abreast of current market prices for any artist, and he will not allow you to buy your favorite to work with a large overpayment.
On the second question to answer simply complicated. Nevertheless, I will say that in most cases, the work of a great artist attributirovat possible for two or three weeks, in complex cases a month and a half. Great artist is different from the "secondary" just because he has a kind, different, style of writing.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Gala

Another question on the experts: why so different prices for examination? (because there are a number of experts), and is there enough inspection experts and specialists to confirm (there are also cases where obvious!), or is required, plus technology-X-ray diffraction study?
And if the latter is not necessary, then the final price will be less expertise? Do I understand?

Laboratory studies have not often, the basis of any examination-iskusstvovedcheskaya.Est work, have been investigated for several years, but 90%of the cases correctly, a maximum of 10-15 days .. If the work is less 100t.rub., Examination do not smysla.Vy correctly touched on this theme is the backbone of any sale ..

This site has an excellent article on this topic ... "It is not breaking anything"

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от Eugene

Here, at the site has an excellent article on this topic ... "It is not breaking anything"

For those who have not seen - that this article "How not to mess of things": http://www.artinvestment.ru/invest/20080410_howto.html

[Glasha]

Eugene,
  Yes, I found it, reread it again. Really great article, useful, especially for people like me - there are (certain) knowledge, desire, passion, a lot behold, but no experience.
   And if the work is worth and let t.rub 100. To do with it? The cost of examination as a result, half of that money, plus some money for which vykupalas.Mnenie consultants differ, sometimes starting from the not entirely objective things, in my opinion, and once expressed disbelief has gone in a circle? As in that case be? I understand, "Think for yourself, decide for yourself, but what would you do?
It is an examination of work, not purchased in the gallery, an honest examination of the normal (in the first place to understand and see the most) and, respectively, of the normal fair sale (or neprodazhe). I was confused. I want to unravel.

[Евгений]

Not knowing the exact situation that is difficult to advise.

[qwerty]

Gala, you have to decide: what you want. If you want to sell now, then, of course, is easier to do if a serious examination. A serious examination is indeed quite expensive, though, of course, not half the cost of painting, and 500 dollars (if I do say, in the Grabar Institute). However, if you contact the experts and the Confederation of Antiquaries artdilerov (the list was somewhere on this site), it will be twice as cheaper and five times faster.
If you just want to understand what you have to actually, you can post a picture with the description here on the forum, and I think you will get some answers that will help you understand the situation. In my opinion at this forum there are people enough to judge art.

[ACG]

qwerty,
Presents you beautiful, but let me argue in essence. Hurt the eyes two or three of your categorical statements that can speak any language of negligence or lack of understanding about the essence of the issue. "Today there is no hundred percent methods for determining the time of job." In fact, there is a whole arsenal of professional methods for determining the time of job. Just each method has its accuracy /inaccuracy. The professionalism of an expert technology is a skilful choice of the complex suitable methods to reduce the bugs /errors to an acceptable level.

Failure to understand this, perhaps, explains why both your assertion: "I have seen many examples where similar organizations, such as shirokorazreklamirovanny Artkonsalting, were mistaken as to one or the other side: the real work of, say, the thirties of the twentieth century postwar attributirovali and, conversely, fakes, made in the eighties, attributirovali twenty years of the last century.
About the other "similar organization" do not know, but I know that Art Consulting for 60 years, as you assert, is not mistaken. If you do not exaggerate "just to be witty, call work and give us details of departure so that we can raise the archives and together with you to ensure the veracity of your statement.

"Specialist in fifty percent of cases rather than five minutes to figure out the real thing or not." Although this assertion is difficult to argue, but it is too trivial: in reality, the problem of determining the authenticity of things is often just to make sure to identify - with the "expert" whether we are dealing with and what kind of case in question - when he "understood" right or wrong ...
Suffice it to recall the situation with perelitsovkami, which directly affected many distinguished experts. Only technological expertise allowed us to determine that the picture perelitsovana.