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Старый 28.11.2014, 16:43 Язык оригинала: Русский       #1
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In the Netherlands "Scythian gold" carry in store


exhibits of the collection of Scythian gold from museums annexed Crimea in the next few days will be transported to the store Allard Pierson Museum in the Netherlands. On Thursday 27 November, said the Russian exhibition curator, senior researcher of the Crimean branch of the Institute of archaeology Valentina Mordvintseva, - TASS informs.

Paul said Mordvintseva, place the Crimean exhibits in the Amsterdam Museum will take another exposure.

"At the moment they are removed from the display cases are Packed and at the end of the week will be transported to the funds of the Allard Pierson Museum, and will be stored there. Curators when the procedures were not present, although the contract provided. We believe this is a disgrace," she said.

According to Mordvintseva, Allard Pierson Museum, where exhibits from the Crimea, paid for the services of the company, which is engaged in the packaging and transportation of historical values in the store. Doubt that the exhibits will not suffer in the Crimean professionals do not.

"In the end, when the dispute about the return of the exhibits Crimean museums will be allowed, we will not have to pack things, they are ready for transport," said the curator of the exhibition.

As reported, four of the Crimean Museum appealed to the court of Amsterdam in an attempt to return annexed by Russia in the Crimea collection of Scythian gold.

However, earlier Andrei Malgin said that the Crimean Museum will not be in the near future to apply to the courts to return to the Crimean Museum collection of Scythian gold, because in the current political crisis and complicated relationship between the parties dispute the decision is not in favor of the Crimea".

At the same time, Tuesday [COLOR="DarkSlateGray"][B]November 25, the self-proclaimed Prime Minister of Crimea Sergey Aksenov said that the government annexed the Crimea decided not to re-register under Russian legislation, four museums, the exhibits of which are now in the Netherlands. In his opinion, this will allow you to continue legal proceedings for the return of Scythian gold Krim@

In February of this year, the collection of Scythian gold was taken in Amsterdam to participate in the exhibition "Crimea: the gold and the mystery of the Black sea" in the Allard Pierson Museum. After the annexation of Crimea by Russia, the Dutch side has refused to return the exhibits in the Crimean museums, arguing that took them from Ukraine. Later, the Museum stated that until the court will not pass Scythian gold or Kiev or the Crimea.

The Ministry of culture of Russia insists on the transfer of the collection of Scythian gold in the possession of Russia, not Ukraine.

The exhibition consists of collections 5 museums, one of which is located in Kiev, and 4 in the Crimea.



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21 January can decide the fate of Scythian gold


On Friday, the Amsterdam court did not decide about the start of the hearings on the return of Scythian gold: the exhibits were sent to the Netherlands from the Crimean museums, by the time the end of the exhibition Peninsula managed to secede from Ukraine.



"We really did suit against the University of Amsterdam from the Crimean museums for the return of exhibits that were used for decoration of the exhibition in the Allard Pierson Museum.
On January 21st is the deadline to which a higher education institution must provide a written response to the claim. This procedure is not public and does not involve any court proceedings," - said the press service of the court of Amsterdam.

Exhibition "Crimea: the gold and the secrets of the Black sea" was held in the Allard Pierson Museum in Amsterdam from February to August 2014. The collection claim and Russian, and Ukrainian side.



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Started the trial on the case of the return to Ukraine of Scythian gold collection



In the court of Amsterdam on January 21, held its first formal meeting in the framework of the judicial process by which the museums of the Crimea, passed under the jurisdiction of Russia, demanding the return of a collection of Scythian treasures, which were exhibited in the Museum of the Allard Pierson at the University of Amsterdam.

"Meeting in the court on January 21, had a procedural nature. The Amsterdam court must decide the question of accession of the state of Ukraine as a party to the proceedings", - said the press service of the Ministry of culture of Ukraine, informs Censor NOT referring to "Interfax-Ukraine".

The official position of Ukraine - "the items may not be returned to the occupied territory, which is temporarily not under Ukrainian control, they should pass directly to the state of Ukraine".

The office note that to return to Ukraine of Scythian gold, the Ministry of culture pays special attention. "Created an interagency working group, composed of representatives of the Ministry of culture, Ministry of justice and Ministry of foreign Affairs", - stated in the message



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The court in Amsterdam began to examine the case of the gold of the Scythians from the Crimean museums. From February to August of last year, about 2,000 items exhibited in the University of the Dutch capital. And when it was time to return the treasures rights said both Russia and Ukraine.

The first meeting in the court of Amsterdam, the parties have not reconciled. According to the laws of the Kingdom, the defendant archaeological Allard Pierson Museum - must submit a formal response to the lawsuit. The position of the gallery has not changed: while the old and the new authorities do not agree, the collection will not go anywhere.

"The official position of Ukraine - exhibits may not be returned to the occupied territory, which temporarily is not under Ukrainian control, they should pass directly to the government of Ukraine. Meeting in the court on January 21, had a procedural nature. The Amsterdam court must decide the question of accession of the state of Ukraine as a party to the proceedings," says the Ukrainian government.

The suit in the court of the Netherlands 4 Crimean Museum, which owns the gold of the Scythians, filed in November. De facto, argues the Peninsula is not Amsterdam and Kiev. In the Ukrainian capital, as always over the past 25 years, felt that the rights of the Crimean Crimea has not. And to dispose of historic heritage should, where, in the opinion of many historians, lived like the Scythians, and their neighbors, the Sarmatians. Before you can conquer the ancient civilization.

European tour exhibition "Crimea: the gold and the secrets of the Black sea" went almost a year ago. Jewelry, gems, weapons, armor and gravestones - a total of more than five hundred exhibits were taken from five of the then Ukrainian museums. Unique heritage of Chersonesos many years were asked to put themselves in the galleries of Europe and the United States. Now his collection received back only a Museum of historical treasures of Kiev. However, many critics claim that the Treasury Chersonese - world property, and to destroy the collection means to harm the world.

Such practices, at least for the last time in the world was not. But if you decide on the law, without political overtones, according to lawyers, the verdict is clear. The fate of the gold depends on agreement about visiting the exhibition. And the contract was signed museums. Wherever they were. Ukraine dispute in General not true: this is a business dispute between museums.

Which will return the gold of the Scythians, decides not even Dutch court. The loser in the end, the party is likely to appeal. If the Crimean heritage to their historical homeland still will not return, the new collections in Europe no longer see. Proposals for the Museum cooperation of the government of Crimea promised not to even consider.



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In the Crimea could not read response Kiev Scythian gold


Lawyers representing the Crimean museums in court, will translate the received response to Russian language.

So Belousova

[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"][B]In the preliminary hearing in the court of Amsterdam on the return collection of Scythian gold Ukraine has provided its response to the claim of the Crimean museums, but the recipients were not able to read it. On it informs RIA "Novosti" with reference to the statement by the Director of the Central Museum of Tauris Andrew Malgina@

"the Ukrainian side said the response to the Crimean claim, but we don't yet know what its content, because it is necessary to translate", - said the Agency interlocutor.

Now the lawyers representing the Crimean museums in court, will translate the received response to Russian language, then you can give the official position.

In the collection of Scythian gold more than 1000 artifacts. She was removed from the Crimean museums on exhibition in the archaeological Allard Pierson Museum in Amsterdam in early February 2014, before the Crimea reunited with Russia. Since then, the parties can decide to whom to return the artifacts.

Most of the monuments found in the Donetsk region. For example, this is the famous Scythian pectoral.

The first court session on the case of Scythian gold has already passed in the Netherlands on 21 January. Ukraine was represented in court by its position, why the famous Scythian gold should return it to her, and not in the Russian Crimea. The Dutch, in turn, reported why the artifacts were arrested and are still in the Allard Pierson Museum.



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XXGunner Hans you know,dear, that famous pectoral was found in Dnepropetrovskoi region in the Nikopol area in the barrow ""Tolstaya"" when re-learning it.
The expedition was he of the Institute of archaeologists of the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, then the USSR
The excavations were led by Boris mozolevski. He made this discovery. Was discovered intact burial chamber women. Judging by the finds belonged to the Scythian nobility. May Queen.
Unfortunately himself B. mozolevski died in unclear circumstances after a short time. Many commented on his death with a sufficient degree of mysticism associated with the opening of this mound. Learned about this from a doctor of archaeology which was in very close relationship with the deceased.
And the mound was looted in antiquity.
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pectoral was found in Dnepropetrovskoi region in Nikopol district
On what terms was the Crimean?
What is the situation today?
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