Старый 26.07.2009, 08:21 Язык оригинала: Русский       #31
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So, moving away from the Biblical canon, writing the faces on the boards
VYACHESLAV, as a man who has spiritual education, would not engage in religious discussions (all at the same forum other topics). But you are calling for a thoughtful attitude to the question, outperforming many of their ignorance. I do not know what you say. Sami would bother to study the subject before you write something. Subject is very serious, at least read this:

"The Holy Fathers VII Ecumenical Council assembled a church worship experience of sacred icons from the very first time, they relied on and made a dogma of the veneration of icons for all times and all peoples who profess the Orthodox faith. The Holy Fathers declared that the veneration of icons - this statute and tradition of the Church, it guided and inspired by the Holy Spirit living in the Church. Portraiture icons inseparable from the Gospel narrative. And the fact that the word of the Gospel tells us through the hearing, the same icon shows a picture. "

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  the veneration of icons on the three hundred and sixty SEDM holy fathers of the Seventh Ecumenical Council of Nicaea

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stores not novovvodno all without writing or writings set for us to ecclesiastical tradition from them there is one iconic image of painting, like a narrative preaching the Gospel in agreement, and serves us to assure us of the true, and not an imaginary incarnation of God the Word, and to such benefits. Bo ordeal united by another decree, certainly a single friend becomes clear. Sim taco existent, like a royal by shestvuyusche, Categories Recent Bogoglagolivomu teachings of our Holy Father and to bring the Catholic Church, (vemy bo, Thou this is the Holy Spirit living in it), with all certainty and careful consideration shall be determined:

like the image of honest and life-giving Cross polagati in the holy Churches of God, on sacred vessels and clothes, on walls and on the boards, in houses and in the ways honest and holy icons, written and paints a fractional stone and from another capable to substance is built, yakozhe icon of the Lord and God and Savior Jesus Christ, and Lady neporochnyya didst cast holy Virgin, takozhde and fair angels, and all the saints and of holy men. Elika bou often through images on icons are visible, potoliku vzirayuschii on onyya podvizaemy are vospominati and loves them primitive, and chestvovati them kissing and pochitatelnym worship is not true of our faith, worship, hedgehog befits a single divine nature, but reverence for that form of , yakozhe image of honest and life-giving Cross and the Gospel and other holy places with incense candles, and delivered the honor rewarded, yaks and the ancient custom was blagochestny. For the honor bestowed on the pattern ceases to primitive, and worship the icon of worship existing images on it. Tako bo approved by the teachings of our Holy Father, the siesta tradition of the Catholic Church, from end to end of the earth priyavshiya Gospel.
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Vyacheslav, as a man who has spiritual education, would not engage in religious discussions (all at the same forum as other areas). But you are calling for a thoughtful attitude to the question, outperforming many of their ignorance. I do not know what you say. Sami would bother to study the subject before you write something. Subject is very serious, read at least this:
Last case in the debate - kink facts and events. I hope the spiritual education has not hurt to acknowledge that in the beginning was the Bible as canon, and then the rest taken by ordinary mortals servants of the church (later declared the same mortal - "Saints" .... ) decisions of the Ecumenical Soborov.Pri this trade are not embarrassed t.k.za foundation took on the material side of (redistribution of land, privileges, income from the flock, the use of titles, etc.) Trading in the Christian church continues to this day. In this regard, is very indicative price list of the most prominent place at the entrance to our tserkvi.Vot so some trade-memorial prayer, the other "boards" with the images. And "spiritual education" does not prevent .....



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Старый 27.07.2009, 14:24 Язык оригинала: Русский       #33
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So that's one selling memorial prayer, the other "boards" with the images.
And as you are?
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.... Christ was crucified and money-changers in the temple came back what would make money on this event.



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Старый 27.07.2009, 16:23 Язык оригинала: Русский       #35
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.... Christ was crucified and money-changers in the temple came back what would make money on this event.
We can do without the church to do.
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Старый 27.07.2009, 21:19 Язык оригинала: Русский       #36
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Last thing in the debate - kink facts and events. I hope the spiritual education has not hurt to acknowledge that in the beginning was the Bible as canon, and then the rest taken by ordinary mortals servants of the church (later declared by the same mortals - "Saints" ....) decisions of the Ecumenical Councils.
I think there is no place like discussions and I'm not going to engage in your education, but what you write is simply ridiculous. So what if the Bible was used? Once again I ask you, stop writing his "nonsense".



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I'm not going to engage in your education
That's when something or reach in life according to qualifications, you are welcome to instruct and give advice ....



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