"Russia's modern abstraction of secondary importance to define"

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от artcol

1. You can talk about abstraction as a style (considering this phenomenon in the art from a historical perspective), but in reality, an abstraction - it is language, a method of understanding reality and the communication of information about it.

Nobody talks about abstractionism as style! In the definition which I quoted just plainly stated:

Сообщение от Tjutchev

Abstract Contrary to the image is not a stylistic category. This particular form of visual art is divided into several areas. Geometric abstraction, lyrical abstraction, gestural abstraction, analytical abstraction and more private flows, such as Suprematism, aranformel, nyuazhizm etc.

Abstract - rather, the direction of fine art.

All creative expression can be considered the language of a certain degree. There is even a well-established expression: "the language of dance", "language of painting" and so on.


 

Сообщение от artcol

2. Indeed, the impact of abstraction is achieved on the viewer by means similar music (link to music in the article is absolutely relevant). But this has its own specifics, which art critic of the very few people know. This can write a long and interesting (as read already written ).

Course has its own specific way, it would not be abstract art, and music.

Сообщение от artcol

3. Blavatsky, Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Malevich, Kandinsky, Scriabin, Soloviev, Bulgakov, Pelevin, etc. - They are all engaged in research and /or transcription the wisdom of the East for the western audience in the best of its abilities and capabilities. These studies and gave the initial impetus to the emergence of abstraction. Hence, we have further profanation of these quests ("... Abstraction as the direction of a very young art ..."). In general, all the usual

This is a controversial! Kandinsky, who is the founder of abstract art did not write anything. And a Malevich did I not read.

Search for the origins of abstract art in ancient cultures, of course you can, but you must admit that in all ancient cultures in varying degrees, there is the desire for conventionality. This psychophysiological need a man! One of the highest forms of brain activity ...

See ancient art of various civilizations, primitive folk art (ornaments, etc.). And of course the obligatory old Russian icons, and all of Eastern art - the greatest achievement of mankind. Everywhere you will find the ascent to the convention.

Speaking about the history of abstract art we are talking about developing it in the bosom of European fine arts culture, of course it is understood and the cumulative experience of human civilization. Man everywhere and people in the east and west!

Further quoting from which it is difficult not to agree:

"... Accelerating change in aesthetic in art installations began in the revolutionary transformations in culture, science and technology in the XX. In art, new trends are already noticeable in the first half of XIX century. At this time in European painting can be seen at the same time improving the naturalistic techniques (J. Ingres, Jean-L.David, T. Chassériau) and the growing tendency to convention (C. Corot, Delacroix, E., F. Goya), the latter especially is pointed in English painting - at RO Bonington and especially William Turner, whose paintings Sun rising in the mist ... (1806), Musical Evening (1829-1839) and some other works are the most daring generalizations bordering on abstraction. Pay attention to form, but also on the story of one of his recent works - Rain, steam and speed, which depicts a locomotive hurtling through the fog and the veil of rain. This picture, painted in 1848 - the highest form of conditionality in the art of the first half of the XIX century.
Since the middle of XIX century. Paintings, drawings, sculptures refer to the fact that the image is not available directly. All the more intensively deployed search for new expressive means, typing methods, increased expression of the universal characters, compressed plastic formulas. On the one hand, it is intended to show man's inner world - his emotional psychological states, with another - to update the vision of the objective world. In 1900-ies discovery - the first in Spain and later in France - the primitive and a little later the traditional ( "primitive") strongly changes the art of the importance of conventional forms of art ... "

I would only add that there is silent role of ancient art as a source of development of abstract art and modernism in general, but it is not surprising because of Western origin of the article. Consecrate this role remains to future researchers. (Although, of course, and now, such studies exist.)

[Pavel]

I heard that Kandinsky was a mathematician and his abstraction is mathematically constructed compositions. He is a German artist and he has clearly read the influence of German expressionism. If desired, traces of abstraction can be found in the manuscript illustrations of stained glass, etc.
The problem is that now all the development of abstraction have been exhausted. I mean the picturesque route. Not enough to make an abstraction, must be original. It only seems simple.

[fross]

It is difficult to argue that modern Russia's abstraction is secondary, but if you talk about the west, all was set up at least until the 60's, now there is nothing new, I think not.
It is interesting to look at dates and compare Mikhnov-Voitenko and Zao Wu-Ki, Hartung. I do not think he could see their work in the catalogs.

[Konstantin]

Сообщение от Vaulin Alexey

But still interesting to hear opinions about the investment in modern abstraction. It has the potential and opportunities, such as Eugene Chubarov.

Chubarov different, in the early stuff (№ 1) can invest in the later (№ 2) no.

[Ваулин Алексей]

Paul, and what this means: «not enough to make an abstraction, must be original»
And «all the development of abstraction have been exhausted» please explain, please, what about Eugene Mikhnov-Voitenko opened up new horizons in the abstract or very sharp Boris Turkish painter in its brevity, or Lydia Masterkova, Francisco Infante, Boris Markovnikov, or Sasha Ponomarev I will not mention the very young generation of artists?
In my opinion in the 21 st century as it is indecent to talk about the "originality" in art are all very closely intertwined

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от Pavel

I heard that Kandinsky was a mathematician and his abstraction is mathematically constructed compositions. He is a German artist and he has clearly read the influence of German expressionism.

Always something to someone who then has an impact! This is particularly true in relation to the time (early 20 th century), when all the bubbling and boiling! At the German Expressionists were influenced by the French Impressionists, but that they did not become French! Kandinsky, of course, the Russian artist! At least, he considered himself to be!

Kandinsky and proved himself as an abstract expressionist, and how, but the fact that he is the founder and theorist of abstract art, that's for sure.

[Ваулин Алексей]

Chubarov different, in the early stuff (№ 1) can invest in the later (№ 2) no.
But why?
Please explain very interesting!!

And who else might be interested in an investment plan?

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от fross

It is difficult to argue that modern Russia's abstraction is secondary, but if you talk about the west, all was set up at least until the 60's, now there is nothing new, I think not.
It is interesting to look at dates and compare Mikhnov-Voitenko and Zao Wu-Ki, Hartung. I do not think he could see their work in the catalogs.

If we follow your logic, then the whole world is secondary Russian abstract art abstract art! It seems to me to talk about the secondary, guided by the chronology in the art sense, well, at least not productive! Main, in my opinion, should be the very quality of works, but when they do not matter! This is not a sport! Secondary one who is less interesting, less deep, and so etc. Recall the same old masters for each of the great, who then had an influence, but from our understanding of this, have not ceased to be greater for those who have had this effect. Innovation is not a guarantee of significance in the arts. Although this in itself is wonderful and ...

[Konstantin]

Chubarov different, in the early stuff (№ 1) can invest in the later (№ 2) no.
And why?
Please explain very interesting !!!!

Because the early stuff and expressive and recognizable. And after that they started on his promotion and in doing so he completely changed his painting. Then there were some exorbitant sales at auction, but was crudely done - they would be on a bit to add the price of the auction for the auction, and they (raskrutchiki) directly to hundreds of thousands of $ inflated ... And nothing. There was no general rise in prices for Chubarova not happen. We talked about this in detail (well, relatively) speaking at two seminars, "How to move the artist" and "Investments in modern art"

[SAH]

Сообщение от Tjutchev

I would only add that there is silent role of ancient art as a source of development of abstract art and modernism in general, but it is not surprising because of Western origin article. Consecrate this role remains to future researchers. (Although, of course, and now, such studies exist.)

I also think so.