Artwork J. Klever

[Oss]

Good time of day ladies and gentlemen. I would be very grateful if you help establish authenticity and appreciate now . Thank you in advance for all responded.

[мистер-у]

Raise the issue "in the forehead" on such a complex artist, like clover, just absurd.Atributirovat work can only RM and Grabar.
For several years in the Russian Museum with attribution to the artist's paintings were signed by three experts, technologists, A. Bogdanov, E. Nesterov and S.V.Rimskaya-Korsakova.Atributsiyu spend 2-3 months.

[Konstantin]

Please describe in detail the maximum proposed now for the following parameters:

1. By.
2. Material and equipment manufacturing (oil on canvas, paper, pastels, watercolors, lithographs, oil, pencil, etc.).
3. Size (horizontal x vertical for painting).
4. Creation Time (1899 /beg., Mid-twentieth century. Etc.).
5. Captions, labels, stamps, birochki (if any - need photos).
6. Condition (breakouts, talus, scrapes).
7. Expert opinion (if available) - the organization + name experts.
8. Qualitative picture pictures back of the painting, photo captions (if any).
9. Origin of the picture.
10. Any other information useful for the attribution of the painting.


And do photos in a normal perspective, so it is difficult to estimate the composition.

[Сима]

Сообщение от Oss

to establish the authenticity

I somehow also very confused by frequent requests "to establish the authenticity and attribution of conduct and evaluation. And the cheerfulness with which the participants in the forum for this comes from.

[Konstantin]

Site attendance is growing, increasing and the number of such appeals. It is understandable that people want to hear initial "opinion" and the board, go on to receive a paper or not. Do not see the problem.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Oss

I would be very grateful if you help establish authenticity and appreciate the picture.

And what is there surprising, Seema, in these matters?
It sometimes can be seen that the inquirer a copy of certain things, sometimes better, sometimes very much an amateur.
You can, of course, advise him to appeal to a specialized organization, give the figures of recent abandonment of the author's auctions, but when asking the question of the province, it would be better soon "to deprive of hope" that there really subtilize especially if it is clearly "wrong". ..

Added after 17 minutes

Do you think that the picture of Yu Clever?
Yes, this is Yu Clover.
No, this is a student of the painter.

I would add a third paragraph: "This is a copy of Mr. farming."

[Amateur]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I would add a third item survey: "This is a copy of Mr. farming."

Anything can happen. We already had seen on this forum a lot of "Clover". This same work much better than them (if only judge by this photo), even if it is a copy n /x or the students. Better would you, Oss, laid out an additional large photo pieces, and then it will be possible to say whether you need to here professional expertise or not.

A simple survey, "yes" or "no", but even with such a paucity of background information, we can not ascertain the authorship of the artist as YY Clover, which even during the lifetime of intensive copied and forged, IMHO.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Amateur

The same work much better than them (if only judge by this photo), even if it is a copy n /s or student work.

Another copy of the P /x, in my opinion. I have not seen a live painting Klever this author-copyist. With reproductions of written clearly or with cards. Size look. See 40 on the vertical maximum, I think.
The disciples here and do not smell.

[redbor]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

A reproduction of written clearly or postcards.

From what cards? Maybe not clover, but has got to such a picture, I would not trouble to show the specialist. Better - Irina Rustamova.
Suddenly, you are lucky, but no, so sell "copy", and out of sight

[мистер-у]

Сообщение от redbor

With some cards? Maybe not clover, but has got to such a picture, I would not trouble to show the specialist. Better - Irina Rustamova.
Suddenly, you are lucky, but not, so sell "copy", and out of sight

Not necessarily Rustamovoy.V Grabar Ignatova very familiar with the work of the artist.