Important information about changes in the forum

Dear participants and guests!

October 29, 2009 Forum was moved to a new server. In addition, the forum engine has been extensively amended.

Now the forum has become bilingual. Each section, each theme, each message there are now two versions - Russian and English. Translation of Google's translator is done automatically when you create or edit any message. And translation can be performed in any direction: from Russian into English and from English into Russian.

This means that our forum is now available in English-speaking Internet, as English-speaking users can now register, read and write at the forum. Moreover, their messages will be automatically translated into Russian and will appear in the Russian-language forum. And your responses to these messages, created in the Russian-language forum, automatically will be switched to English and appear in the English-speaking forum.

Large please take graciously to possible errors that will be identified during the testing forum in combat mode. On any bugs, please write in this topic.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Sim

Very funny obtain translations into English. Sometimes just uhohocheshs'a (I understand that this is an untranslatable word). To get the correct English, should be deleted inversion, reduced vocabulary and, in general, all available means emotive speech. This get bored. What to do? Or is it not our concern?

Well noticed, Sim

"Roginsky, there is an entire collection and LCR podtverzhldaet that all is well".

It reminded me of an example of skill interpreter contained Nabokov (in my opinion, in Lectures on Russian literature, the text of the original, of course, in English, quoting the Russian translation - very roughly):

"The most pathetic example of Victorian hypocrisy caught me in an old English translation of" Anna Karenina ". Vronsky asks Anna what with it." I beremenna "(italics interpreter) - meets Anna, allowing the reader to a foreign wonder what this mysterious illness struck her eastern ... "

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от LCR

contained Nabokov

And I remembered his comments Nabokov's translation of "Eugene Onegin". You read and immediately understand how difficult it is to translate and understand translated adequately.
B. Nabokov: VN: If the "Eugene Onegin" to translate - and not to repeat bad English verses - requires a very accurate translation, interlinear, literal, and this exactly, I was glad to sacrifice everything - "smooth" grace, idiomatic clarity, the number of feet per line and rhyme. The only thing that saved me, it pentameter, because it soon became clear the fact that this is a small rhythmic constraint is not a hindrance, but rather serves as an indispensable screw for fixing the literal sense. From the comments to explain the content and form of "Onegin" was formed gradually that a thousand-plus pages, which will be issued together with the translation of the main text, and all versions known to me by the published drafts. The works were many, I'm fascinated by it for eight years
The first edition of "Eugene Onegin" in English translation by Nabokov and his comments appeared in New York in June 1964 in a series of books issued by the Bollingen Foundation.

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

how hard it is to translate

Young translator tries to translate the words of the museum staff, not knowing the English version of the woods:
"This box is made of boxwood"
- This box is made of some shit: shy:

[Кирилл Сызранский]

dedulya37, yes, it's ridiculous, "a box-tree" ... : D

[Маруся]

Dear Administration!
Since then, as you are working on translating the site into English, you no longer monitor the numbers of statistics, but in her every sent message is reflected in two.
Here mathematics on my posts:
6/11/2009
1 message in topic "About censorship"
1 message in topic "Important info about site"
1 message in topic "About the swine flu"
3/11/2009
2 post in the topic "Taron Garibyan"
3 post in the topic "How to read art history texts"
1 message in topic "About M. Bashkirtseva"
31/10/2009
1 message in topic "About M. Bashkirtseva"
1 message in topic of "Artists of St. Paul"
29/10/2009
1 message in the theme "Pro V. Titov"
Total: 12 messages, while messages in the statistics figure had risen to 24.
I ask that you return the counting statistics in the original condition.
Otherwise, it seems that nonsense, which gives your automatic translator, which will count as my message.
I assure you that if necessary, I myself standing in the duplicate their texts in English, and even in French ... but to ascribe to me too much - do not!

[Admin]

Dear Maroussia, so no need to worry about this petty. Counter corrected, and other deficiencies, too. Everything will be okay, be patient a little bit.

Сообщение от Maroussia

delusion that grants your automatic translator

This is Google's translator, not ours. And, incidentally, today is the best automatic translator from all existing, as Google is no money to spare. Of the competitors, supports translation from /into Russian, can only be called domestic paid service, but it translates in most cases worse.

[NATA NOVA]

If you own, then there is nothing simpler and easier to independently verify (and correct) English version .. What problems?
Why worry? ..
And the "Bowline" themes and there is no need to worry ... a priori "untranslatable" is ...

[Маруся]

Сообщение от Admin

Counter correct it

Counter, in fact, began to count on odnmu post. It remains only to "subtract, delete, Curl" - in other words return to normal, the extra number of messages during the "technical difficulties" attributed to me your "translator".

[Admin]

Сообщение от Maroussia

It remains only to "subtract, delete, twirled"

This is already done - at the same time correcting the counter.

[Allena]

Сообщение от LCR

I think, in Lectures on Russian literature

It was there! Very entertaining reading.