Russian landscape with river and the church

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rolls, about the trees need to ask sergejnowo, he is a graduate of the trees.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

rolls, about the trees need to ask sergejnowo, he is a graduate of the trees.

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here it is difficult to analyze.
Under ideal conditions, live oak say 300-500 years, pine 150 - 200 years, Birch 100 - 150 years, etc.
In realist painting conditions for trees are far from perfect. In terms of microclimate, and then flood plain, the place is not bad, but the tide, strong wind is a minus for longevity. And the most important factor is people. In one oar broke, another wood ran out, went and cut down on the need. In other words, in a dense forest above the trees and survive, and in the floodplain of the river around human habitation, well, not like.
In the pictures Levitan I seen the stumps of the felled tree. After this "cleansing" the first couple of years, thriving shrub vegetation. This and face Levitan.
This kind of biotope (the set of flora and fauna) optically completely changed every 60-100 years.
Given this feature of nature, if the optical sight Levitan add 60-100 years, we get exactly the kind of postcards from * 4.
I think that the assumption that the landscape Raskatova written earlier than the picture Levitan, logically justified.
But me, to be sure, confusing a low level of prescription details in the landscape Raskatova. This in itself is not a problem, but to compare poorly

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Сообщение от rolls

While it is clear that Levitan painted church on the left side if you stand back to the River. A proposed artist, was on the right side, ie in the area of the distant tower (which is the picture Levitan), and perhaps her.

Some not. "That distant tower" at Levitan - Resurrection Church is depicted in your picture (if it really Pless). We Levitan is in the foreground - the Church of Barbara.

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There are many photos Pleso, called "View from Mount Levitan." That's Fresh. Is likely that the legend is preserved in the people.
But it is unclear, because of its "Golden Ples" is drawn from a different location or a mirror image.
In our picture look like in photographs.
In the last photo, this church is visible from the reverse side of the mountain.

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Сообщение от rolls

There are many photographs Pleso, which are called "View from Mount Levitan." That's Fresh. Is likely that the legend is preserved in the people.
But it is unclear, because of its "Golden Ples" is drawn from a different location or a mirror image.
In our picture look like in photographs.
On the last photo, this church is visible from the reverse side of the mountain.

From this mountain Levitan really a lot of draw, loved to depict the church Barbara, but "Vecher.Zolotoy Ples" is drawn from a different place, just downstream of the Volga.
At your painting depicts not Varvara church, repeat. Otherwise, at the forefront of the artist, if he wrote to the church on this side, in abundance would paint houses and other buildings, which at the time of writing is already there (the two churches, about which I have written quite late by the standards of the city itself - the first quarter of the 19 th century) .
If you look on the plan of the city, Pleso in such a perspective in the 19 century it was possible to depict the Resurrection Church. But I do not know whether its bell once bleached.

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Сообщение от Mimoprohodil

If you look on the plan of the city, Pleso in such a perspective in the 19 century it was possible to depict the Resurrection Church. But I do not know whether its bell once bleached.

  The question is just is that this sketch was written probably in 1865 - 70 gg.t.e. to levitanovskih paintings ( "Golden Ples" was written in 1889) and therefore the buildings are not so much.
And our artist was not on the mountain itself and closer to the foot, so the distant landscape slightly lowered, and the front - is elevated. Levitan painted rear view, and we have the front end.
Interestingly, while there are more pictures of this place on the 19 th century works of art?
And yet, in our krtine, Varvara church and next to the house with red roof.
"Evening. Golden Ples - linked with the history that once galvanized the whole town. In a picture-Martyr Barbara Church in Zarechnoj settlement and solitarily standing on the marginalized in the two-story house with red roof - he belonged to two merchant families of Old Believers, and Grosheva Podgornova. In this house, on half Podgornova, artists rented space for his workshop. Young merchant's wife, Anna Grosheva, ward of a local factory, has received a good education, she loved to read books, become accustomed to a secular lifestyle. Now, in the harsh Old Believer family with its closed domostroevskim way of life she desperately longed for. House its domination strict in-law, daughter-in constant incriminating "sinful" thoughts - just like Alexander Ostrovsky in "Storm".

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Сообщение от rolls

The question is just is that this sketch was written probably in 1865 - 70 gg.t.e. to levitanovskih paintings ( "Golden Ples" was written in 1889) and therefore the buildings are not so much.
And our artist was not on the mountain itself and closer to the foot, so the distant landscape slightly lowered, and the front - is elevated. Levitan painted rear view, and we have the front end.
Interestingly, while there are more pictures of this place on the 19 th century works of art?

Fortress Pleso since 12 th century is known. Since 18 century - a district center in the 19 century, a major Volga River port. Perhaps, it is logical that the county port city can look like on your picture in that the artist painted the church of the then city center. I have to ensure that Ples - a beautiful version, but it is unlikely it can be regarded as a single. If you look at www.russian-church.ru, or www.sobory.ru, you'll find that 3.4 is not the territory of modern areas of churches with a similar kind were numerous. Many have not survived. So I was not so sure that the painting depicts exactly Varvara church, although Pleso times every year.

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Сообщение от Mimoprohodil

So I was not so sure that the painting depicts exactly Varvara church, although Pleso times every year.

when first seen, in search of objects of comparison, drew attention to the automatic house with red roof.
Probably for the Russian "heartland" 19 century, these houses on the background of peasant huts, that something special.
I think as a secondary point of comparison, after church, this is a substantial argument. This building is present in all the paintings and photographs.

[Glasha]

Сообщение от sergejnowo

automatically drew attention to the little house with red roof.
... is essential argument

- Similar.

But to set the place and approximate time of creation of this etude is it possible that a healthy curiosity
because the exact authorship in this case, I think, impossible.

Pleso (think it's still him) came together a lot of artists: the famous, and "about".
Apparently (photo, monitor), sketch of the time, but the author is clearly one of those that "some"
(just by the way: the Levitan even sketches format "postcard" bewitch)
You can try to search, proceeding from the information on the cardboard, which gave Mimoprohodil:
the artists who lived there, was (city Faithful, now Almaty), and even then not a fact:
they can lend to each other cardboard, paint - came together and worked in a crowd (for some reason immediately comes to mind Chekhov's "Grasshopper")

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Сообщение от Glasha

For some reason immediately comes to mind Chekhov's "Grasshopper"

All right.

Сообщение от rolls

the artist lived and worked in the summer of 1888-1889 gg. together with his friends - artists, A. Stepanov and SP Kuvshynnykova.

In 1892, Anton Pavlovich Chekhov, published in the journal "North" story "The Grasshopper" - and a scandal. "Heroes" tells us himself, and everybody knew them. In Dr. Osip Dimov easily guessed Dmitri Pavlovich Kuvshinnikov. In "The Grasshopper," his wife, Olga Ivanovna, - Sofia Petrovna Kuvshynnykova. In the artist Ryabovsky - Levitan. After Isaac Ilich, as Ryabovsky, Kuvshynnykova gave lessons in painting, they went together to the studies on the Volga, among them was a long novel.

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By the way.
1. Kuvshynnykova SP Ples. The same house is shown in the picture I. Levitan "Evening. Plyos Gold.. 1895. Russia. Ples.
Oil on canvas on cardboard, oil. 17,5 x 26
2. Kuvshynnykova SP Landscape with a church. 1893. Russia. Neighborhood Pleso. (E Prudskikh?).
Oil on canvas. 41 x 59