Beware, fake pictures!

[redbor]

Сообщение от Allena

use of human sympathy, a desire to help the neighbor, but on the other - have a fairly low-lying, but the secret feelings (help, but that is not disinterested as: painting get a good cheap).

  Yeah, kind Kuzma wants to help the stranger?
  He reported this and did not think he wants to cash in on a freebie,
 even for a questionable picture, probably stolen ...
 Come and get! And do not cry .. Nigerian wiring the early 1990's the Russian version.
 In general, this scheme is known since ancient years - remember Kuprina or O. Henry
"The cormorants do not need a knife
He'll show brass farthing,
And do with it what you want ... "(C. Basilio)

[Allena]

redbor, for the most part you and Vladimir, of course, right. That's why I wrote that there is very psychologically subtle all lined up, involved a huge amount of human weakness - and greed, and morbid curiosity, and much more. But if it only played on the weaknesses, it would be all the much more primitive, but not here: and positive strings in a man, too, cling to. Exactly because of this psychological cocktail with you and we are seeing on the forum is not the first year of this filth in all possible forms.

[тандем]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Quote:
Message from Eugene
So, what does this group of scammers, a crime ..

Very controversial. Is it cheating? They sell real canvas, rather than air.
Maybe about authorship, they do not say anything - that is, they say, himself look, they say it is expensive. They're phony expert opinions do not apply, it is "Kravchenko," and "Klyun" is not assured.
I think it would be difficult to prove intent. And who impute a fraud? Artist? He would say - have ordered, I painted ...

 What about the experts' conclusions .....
Here are two offers for sale at one of the forums
In a letter to the author introduced himself as Sergei Danilov. The letter was accompanied by photos of paintings, traffic .... and expert opinion. Lypove or not it can only tell the representative ARTLABA Kiev, but it is written that "... the start of production used in writing inks dates back 20 years Art 30mi . ... and so on-allow us to speak about the time of creation of the work until mid-20 century. "
 And in the description reads: Date presumably in 1925.
  AI Kravchenko died in 1940.
If we consider the error of five years, it turns out - painting dates from 1930 mi over the years and make a complaint after your purchase can only sebe.Inache unclear, what guided the seller applying expert opinion?

[redbor]

Сообщение от Allena; 1426991"

and positive strings in a man, too, cling to. Exactly because of this psychological cocktail with you and we are seeing on the forum is not the first year of this filth in all possible forms.

On a positive motivation for reading the letter they are not addressed - do not agree.
Only a desire to cash in, the joy of tucked freebies - overshadows everything!

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Allena; 1426991"

we are with you and seeing on the forum is not the first year of this filth in all possible forms.

Elena, we not only observe, but participants in the forum for his ability to meet these fraudsters ..

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Is this Fraud? They sell real canvas, rather than air.

This is a scam 100%.
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How to commit fraud
"..... Form fraudulent deception is quite varied. Distort Truth (active deception) may be verbal (in the form of an oral or written messages), or is very different actions: falsification subject of the transaction, the application shulerskih receptions for a game of cards or "thimble", reckoned the amount of substitution of counterfeit object resembling a wad of money ("doll"), the introduction of distortion in computer programs, etc.
There are five common ways of cheating the typical characteristic of the fraud.
1. Guilty for impersonating a person entitled to receive property to which it is not really a (fraud in the face).
2. changes the appearance of the object and (or) returns one item for another (the subject of deception).
3. Receives payment for the work you do not intend to (lie in intent).
4. Deception in circumstances which in this case are significant.
5. Presents false documents for property, or cash (usually closely related to the above methods )...."
etc.
Anyone interested can still read the comments of lawyers:
http://www.allpravo.ru/library/doc10...236.html#_ftn5

[Евгений]

Сообщение от tandem

As for expert advice .....
Here are two offers for sale at one of the forums
In a letter to the author introduced himself as Sergei Danilov. The letter was accompanied by photos of paintings, traffic .... and expert opinion. Lypove or not it can only tell the representative ARTLABA Kiev, but it is written that "... the start of production used in writing inks dates back 20 years Art 30mi . ... and so on-allow us to speak about the time of creation of the work until mid-20 century. "
And in the description reads: Date presumably in 1925.
AI Kravchenko died in 1940.

This is not Kravchenko, and of course a fake picture .. examination simply "Filkin letter" (non-binding document) .. for divorce customers.

Сообщение от Eugene; 1424631"

on the territory of CIS countries, the action of moshennikov.Pervye forgery emerged with the beginning of 2000, the most active period of this group 2007-2010 year.
Fake paintings signed by:
A. Karin, A. Corin, P. Benkov, Golitsyn, Kravchenko, A. P. Brusilovsky, Cluny, KE Suhovitsky,
VA Vesnin, Lucca, Mitrokhin, Dubovskoy, AV Lentulov, Osmyorkin, K. Somov, A. M. Lanskoy
Richard Park, W. Samokhvalov, R., N. Altman, Baranov, J. Parky ... there are other signatures. In some paintings made by "expert"
. All the paintings are typical birochki, inscriptions, etc. Prices for forgery from 500 to 50000 USD
In the comments there are different versions of the letters that scammers write to collectors, art dealers. Take care ..
The most common images of paintings, for this group of crooks (in the comments, there are others).

1.Poddelnaya painting by artist Kravchenko AA

[Allena]

Сообщение от redbor

On a positive motivation for reading the letter they are not addressed - do not agree.
Only a desire to cash in, the joy of tucked freebies - overshadows everything!

I do not know - I do not know. Anything can happen. Incidentally, the "two captains" letter was also not addressed <!--~ Sanya Grigoryev 1 ~ - "But, in fact, the motivation is not even important - the result is important. To whatever was played crooks, they succeeded.

Сообщение от Eugene

Elena, we not only observe, but the participants of the forum on his ability to meet these scammers

Oh, Eugene, it seems to me that we are witnessing the suffering of those who have already run into this adventure, that is, enlightenment of the mind after the fact, unfortunately.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Allena; 1427411"

Oh, Eugene, it seems to me that we are witnessing the suffering of those who have already run into this adventure, that is, enlightenment of the mind after the fact, unfortunately.

Not only affected "art lovers", but the forum went out and offered a shit (about April 2009, offered under the bullshit Benkov, Golitsyn) .. it was scammers (in this thread has information about this fake episode)

[Liza]

Сообщение от tandem

As for expert advice .....
Here are two offers for sale at one of the forums
In a letter to the author introduced himself as Sergei Danilov. The letter was accompanied by photos of paintings, traffic .... and expert opinion. Lypove or not it can only tell the representative ARTLABA Kiev, but it is written that "... the start of production used in writing inks dates back 20 years Art 30mi . ... and so on-allow us to speak about the time of creation of the work until mid-20 century. "
 And in the description reads: Date presumably in 1925.
  AI Kravchenko died in 1940.
If we consider the error of five years, it turns out - painting dates from 1930 mi over the years and make a complaint after your purchase can only sebe.Inache unclear, what guided the seller putting Opinion?!

In carrying out technological expertise expert has no authority to confirm or deny authorship of the study works of art - only to establish the likely timing of its creation and performance characteristics (technology). Therefore, in an act of expertise in the input attribute and the name of the product, which informs the customer. Ie brought the work of authorship alleged Kravchenko AI - Write in the input data Kravchenko, AI (technology experts can not even write "alleged authorship" - is not his expertise). And to compare these with the probable dates of life of the author - the case of the customer or critics (if the customer sees fit to ask him).
The maximum that can make the technology experts - indicate in the conclusion of the alleged dates in the life of the author, and below in the findings indicate the likely timing of creating a work based on the results of the research, which was done in tandem Laid-examination. But having eyes - so will see!

[Евгений]

Liza, It is good that you have read this thread, next time better and technological expertise to such a shit to do .. Fake picture of this group moschennikov imeeyu very characteristic features.

They obviously tailor in the 21 century ..