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Сообщение от Vivien

It produced mainly lithographed views of the two Russian capitals.

There is! Issue lottery products! Mass.
And in the same stores sell their products.
This is not art salon, painting they had for the range, so for the mind and inexpensive.
Look at their piers for-size, wall cover.
In St. Petersburg, then all lived in a tenement furnished homes. For interiors needed painting. They and "released" mass-production, Brigade, method.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

And in the same stores sell their products.
This is not art salon, painting they had for the range, so for the mind and inexpensive.

And the company published the maps of areas of railways, highways and water communications between St. Petersburg and Moscow, etc. And after 1840, the products Datsiaro printed mostly abroad.

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In the early twentieth century as intermediaries between artists and collectors were not the gallery, as it is now, and art shops, which sell not only the works of artists and canvases, brushes and paints. If the center of antique trade in the late XIX - early XX century was Leontief Lane, the art shops were located mainly in the area Neglinnoy and Tverskaya Street. The most famous shops were Datsiaro, d'Avanzi and Bekkers at the Kuznetsk, where you could buy etudes Levitan, Shishkin, Repin and Vereshchagin.
Significant role already played by art dealers, who were called in the French manner "Marchand" - the most famous of them was VI Chekato. Traders bought the paintings as the work of the artists, as well as from private collections during the sales collections. [COLOR="# 000080"] reputation shops and private traders were not perfect, as often the market appeared falshaki. [/COLOR] And there are cases where the most popular artists have already begun to forge in life. For example, it is known that spoofs Aivazovsky artist Solntsev, then a very popular painter Sverchkova - some Volodya, the works of Vladimir Makovsky - unknown dropout.

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Vivian, I think you all well explained. I wanted to add that I came across information about the last years of the artist Lev Kamenev. His work has just brought into the shop at Datsiaro Kuznetsk bridge, they were immediately bought for little money (5 - 10 rubles) and put up for auction is for normal money. Kamenev himself and not getting any of those crumbs.
Pro Shop at Sea, 11 (Bolshaya Morskaya, 11) information on the sale kaartin online no. Museum employees, Peter, with whom I spoke to treat him with great respect. I believe that their voices can be heard.
Vivian, but you do not have information on how to save the archives of the company Datsiaro?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

In St. Petersburg, then all lived in a tenement furnished homes. For interiors needed painting.

Of course, you would not believe, but in St. Petersburg at the time, some people have lived in their own homes! And some even in the palaces!
In my distant relatives, who had belonged to this work, was his own house. Information about this period there is no, because under the Soviet regime about such things preferred not to speak.
We have friends from Peter, whose parents also had a house and the walls were covered Aivazovsky, which was not considered at that time an expensive artist. In such houses, perhaps, too, were piers ...

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Сообщение от Dmitry

Vivian, and you do not have information on how to save the archives of the company Datsiaro?

Dear Dmitry, what you have in mind, the archives of sales?
You also interested in the attribution of work.
Yesterday, in another forum, you even have suggested that it might be LF Lagorio or AIKuindzhi, also gave a larger fragment, where the grass may hide the signature. Although I do not think so.
All the same search should start not from Datsiaro (information about its activities, I brought in your theme for the overall development of).
You would be better and we all also showed fragments of this work (where the twig is) in good quality - among the users of this forum is quite competent and experienced professionals.
Sincerely, Vivien.

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Сообщение от Vivien

Dear, Dmitry that You mean, archives sales?

Yes precisely books accounting from shop on Morskoy, 11. They unconditionally existed, but behold preserved or no - unknown.

Сообщение от Vivien

You would better and us all too showed fragments of this work (where branchlet lies) in good quality - among users this forum have sufficiently competent and experienced professionals.

In this I have no doubt. Thought to painting at this forum not will no interest. And as for signature among the grass and does not stand to stutter, because immediately advise you to see a shrink (which I gently formulated)!
Look.
Another fragment near moon with maximally quality, which I manage currently ensure. Optionally there too can something see, but usually desires understand neither y whom and the no ...

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Сообщение от Dmitrij

At desire there too can something see, but usually desires understand neither y whom and the no ...

Well this You vain.
  At tree left of of moon vertically upwards attending something like assinatura resembling surname on letter K. seems, that is simply dark leaves.

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Сообщение от Dmitry

Of course, you would not believe it, but in St. Petersburg at that time, some people have lived in their own homes! And some even in the palaces!

I know, I know ... were, yes ...
Nicholas Alexandrovich Romanov family, for example. Yes, and his family, too.
For example, Alexander had a palace on the Moika, there is a palace in Alexei Alexandrovich, Andrei Vladimirovich, on the Palace Embankment, etc.
Yes, and Vorontsov-Dashkov was a palace. On Sadovaya, on the contrary Gostiny yard.
We Sheremetyevy, Shuvalov, on the Moika, and at the Yusupov as much for two-at the same Moika and Sadovaya.
Do you think that your picture is there?
Just recall the scene in the furniture auction and the phrase: "Chairs from a palace!"

: D: D: D

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Сообщение от Vivien

yesterday on another forum, you even have suggested that it might be LF Lagorio or AIKuindzhi,

Wow! Guba not a fool! : D

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Сообщение от Vivien

At the tree to the left of the moon is straight up, something like a signature that resembles the name on the letter K.

And all the picture shown Dmitry something encrypted.
We still search in the grass, opportunity of the sky with the moon and water, the artist wrote in the name of "K" (Kuindzhi, for example), and the grass, for example, the letter "L". And who wrote the tree?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

For the interior needed painting. They and "released" mass-production, Brigade, method.

Yes, like a picture created in one sitting. Visible fast work at both ends of the brush. And especially wound by the moon. Maybe that added and the restorers.

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Сообщение от rolls

Maybe that added and the restorers.

No restorer nothing added. Prior to the work of restoration, I specifically had a pre-technological research. No traces of the interference was not, the picture had never been restored. I even showed a photo of this painting in the UV to the restoration.

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Сообщение от Vivien

At the tree to the left of the moon is straight up, something like a signature that resembles the name on the letter K. It seems that it is just dark leaves

Bravo, Vivian! It appears not in vain, I tried to photography! Even where the leaves (to those that resemble the name on the letter "K", which even can not even utter aloud!) Miraculously formed bukovki "A" and "I", a little higher, and they are right, all the same leaves , formed in tsiforki "1886". Look closely, what miracles buvayut! And about the grass not to mention ...
It's only now in bulk and a guru of all their poobtryasut and mow the grass: D!

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Сообщение от rolls

Yes, like a picture created in one sitting. Visible fast work both ends of the brush.

In my opinion, you are absolutely right. If possible, please explain about the work of a brush, so I'm not an artist and not fully understand what you mean.
Not understand why you link this assessment with the argument Cyril Syzran of lottery and thus lower the dignity of work. Somehow I thought that this technique is just a sign of skill and professionalism of the artist. If possible, it also explain his idea.