Prices for contemporary art

[Алек Сандер]

Сообщение от Fed

If the cause was the buyer, they would still eat bacon with cabbage soup, and not the land of croissants. If you have a fundamentally new group of products - watch a couple of months as the new gate, and then start buying.
  So it is in services, a new auction.

Excuse me, are you talking about? I really do not understand what you mean.

A particularly successful would grow at auctions: compare the same Tselkov-successful at the auction went to 6 times more expensive failure.
With adequate pricing would be adequate and uhodimost. And as artists and galleries try to find fools, and even if they have enough, but not when it comes to money.

Prices adequate, and uhodimost adequate. Tselkov is gone, as you testify? And his successful works are growing and now. Do not grow what he has done in recent years. In addition, like to clarify: we discuss Russia or Ukraine? Personally, I'm talking about Russia. Prices here are the same as in the West. Yes, and salaries of most of the group that is potentially going to buy the painting, about the same as in the West (well, you subtract from thence salaries taxes paid, and receive our wages from which taxes are still often not paid).

The problem is that our potential buyer - he either lost his money in a crisis, or has not yet enjoyed the luxury. Not napokupalsya he cars, yachts, motorcycles, lies in nightclubs. In the West, they have naotzhigalis, but we have - yet. Remember how modestly dressed thence wealthy people and how rasfufyrivayutsya us. That's when sicken, then start looking around, thinking about the soul.

We bought the painting just the oligarchs who have a well, everything. They just know what to do money. But the artist makes (creates) it is the middle class, which we almost there.

Remember what was happening before the crisis. What an incredible growth. And why? Yes because there were free money. Why then all the way collapsed? Because there was money. Of course, prices are reduced to, and then rose to over smoothly, but it would be a natural process.

People who bought at the flea market with hand painting or reproduction, are not included in. Again, lack of education also influences. So it was always and everywhere. Then these big money bought, education, and even catch on, but it also requires time.

So I say: we now have, I think, a normal buyer is not. He will appear, but a little later.

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Perceived price of his paintings has decided to find out you like professianalov and fans how relevant this topic and is it worth?
Average cost of works that will get a picture once a month from the artist about $ 1000, for what the commission is sold across the border alas not know ... but this topic.
How much is akktualno currently ???[/QUOTE]
Not much (IMHO)

[Tana]

[Pavel]

Сообщение от iside

Pavlusha, zachem uznavat kak eto vo Franzii! Posmotrite kak ludi jivut v Rossii, za predelami Moskvi i kakie u nih zarplati; kto budet kartini na torgah pokupat? Kuchka oligarhov? Tak oni na sobstvennom samolete mogut kuda ugodno sletat i kupit chto ugodno i ne fakt chto eto im voobshe nujno.

Ei bogu, Pavel, Vi kak vo sne i vse ne mojete prosnutsia.

In addition to shopping there is the sale. The thing is, and that vtom nowhere to sell an expensive apartment for the price. If you have a Rubens or Stozharau and you know that Sotheby's sold it for N-th sum, try to sell here for that amount. If you stay alive. People have a lot of old and rare things, or heirs to the collection and as a result they lose a penny. That is why in France emerged Drouot auction, which now covers all major cities of France. There, too, not all rich. You probably do not know?

The kernel was formulated a few pages back in the message mihailovoh, which reads:



So, we must not confuse cause and effect. At the present time there is no reason. The reason it appeared, but in 2008 was virtually destroyed. When she reappears, then starts to form a result.

And as with the sale? Why everyone should buy, and where purchased to sell? Differences between Russia or Ukraine or France or America has no. It is full of poor and destitute dezdomnyh bankrupt. The difference is that there can be a valuable thing to sell the owner and get her the full cost except for taxes. Why buy something if it can not sell? That's no buyers.
I know Cyril, he loses with the advent of free sale, but dealers can not understand. The brain is?

[Алек Сандер]

Paul, well, again you confuse cause and effect. First, there are buyers, then - shops, but not vice versa! First, should have sufficient buyers. A pitiful handful of collectors and a few oligarchs - not buyers. In addition, they almost do not sell, they do not need it. Therefore, auctions and do not develop. Not far to seek. Take the experience of the resource. Spring auction happened here. Prices were lower than nowhere! Honest prices were. The works were presented good quality. And how many sales? Almost not at all. And why? You can, of course, blame everything on aliens, but you can use Occam's razor. And then, when we cut off excess fact, the truth remains: there are practically no buyers.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Alek Sander

Paul, well again you confuse cause and effect. First, there are buyers, then - shops, but not vice versa! First, should have sufficient buyers. A pitiful handful of collectors and a few oligarchs - not buyers. In addition, they almost do not sell, they do not need it. Therefore, auctions and do not develop. Not far to seek. Take the experience of the resource. Spring auction happened here. Prices were lower than nowhere! Honest prices were. The works were presented good quality. And how many sales? Almost not at all. And why? You can, of course, blame everything on aliens, but you can use Occam's razor. And when we cut off excess fact, the truth remains: there are practically no buyers.

Exactly sluchilsya.Auktsion not happen it is constant as the plant. It does not set prices, they are set by buyers. You agree to sell, you can refuse, but prices are set buyer, and you choose to work, set prices and want to have sales? Yes, just do not believe that things are good. See how to make at Drouot-all in a row on Options. And every day for 10 -13 auctions. Customer confidence has to be earned, and you want everything to your taste and for big money. There are many, and one times. It is because of the confidence necessary to the auction was a state, we have such a mentality.
There is an auction and a auction sale.
Season opens at the Drouot sale of Japanese prints. What fun!

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[Konstantin]

Then why did you give us something (forum users), speaking about this as the crown for two years? Your abstract state consists of specific officials. Either they are not here, either they, unlike you do not consider this idea profitable, and so they understand in this sense. And you have my energy, to send in the right direction, namely:
write a blog to President Medvedev (for those who forgot) my idea and take it easy.

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[Pavel]