A question for connoisseurs of inventory (account) numbers.

[mihailovoh]

Dmitri,

Pohohie signs seen in the private home directories kollektsiy.Rimskimi razdel.arabskimi sequentially numbered.

[Дмитрий Николаевич]

Сообщение от Kirill Syzran; 2083741"

Sfotografiruete, show - everybody, I think, is that there is a intresno picture

Now, to answer all posts and lay out photos.

Сообщение от Kirill Syzran; 2083741"

Divide by some criteria (paintings, sketches, drawings, for example) the entire array into sections (Roman numerals), and only within the sections are numbered in Arabic numerals own work.
In the inventory of books under the name of the record these numbers, equipment, dimensions, and turnover on the works themselves - only the numbers.

Why are they two? The two Roman and two Arabic?

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Сообщение от Konstantin; 2083931"

Sorry - did not notice.

Apology accepted.

Сообщение от Konstantin; 2083931"

word balabol I did not like - in terms more careful, please.

I just said, but I think that the moderators on this site are not balaboly.
 First, it was not a statement, but a guess.
And secondly, I said: DO NOT balaboly!

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Сообщение от redbor; 2083971"

VI-V, is an artist Sheremetev Paul (1871-1943), and serial number 432 in his collection

Well, thank God, something concrete. Thanks for the info!
From what directory you have this information?
It can be found on the Internet?
And why a particular artist is denoted by two rather than one in Roman numerals?
What does the latest Arabic numeral?

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Сообщение от dabbler; 2084031"

on your first remark we can conclude that the picture - the trophy. (Or am I mistaken?)

I just could not establish the origin of the collection. My ancestors could not take it out of Germany. My grandfather, for health reasons he fought. Its only an adult, at the beginning of the war's son, my uncle, died 20/12/1941. The other children of my grandfather remained until 1945 by minors. So, in the Dresden Gallery and Castle Goring, none of my ancestors could not get to physically.
But exclude the possibility that a collection of trophy I can not. She could go to his grandfather, for example, after the death of a lonely neighbor. In such cases, all things are thrown out of the deceased. My relatives, witnesses the appearance of a collection of memorized scandal ustroenny my grandmother due to the fact that many scenes were depicted nude women. The dating of this incident, something like this: before the war, toli, toli after.

Сообщение от dabbler; 2084031"

Neither the museum nor the exhibition marking it's not like (I will not occupy your time explaining why I believed in this.

I believe! I have myself come to that conclusion.

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Сообщение от dabbler; 2084031 '

If you are so interested in finding the truth - see the board turnover in the IR range (carbon-containing pigments may appear in the inscriptions extinct).

That inspection, or better to make a picture in infrared light. What is the source of light is better to use? Soft or with filters X-1 or IRS-2?

Сообщение от dabbler; 2084031"

If there is something unreadable, applied ink - can be manifested in the UV luminescence).

Conducted a survey in the soft UV radiation. Luminescence was not observed with either the front or the back of the picture. A Minor is observed on the cleaved putty frame. The only conclusion that I could do, is that gouache on cardboard marked not yesterday. For comparison, took a modern children's colors - lit up almost half the room! Photographed under UV light can not hold - there is no quartz optics.
Does it make sense to inspect filters UFS-1 and UFS-2?
Should I try to bring A blue or violet light, and an inspection by a yellow or orange filters?
Sincerely, Dmitri.

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Сообщение от mihailovoh; 2084151"

Pohohie signs seen in the private home directories kollektsiy.Rimskimi razdel.arabskimi sequentially numbered.

But why, as the Roman and Arabic numerals, not one, but two? In what sense? As the two figures can be designated through numbering?

Posted 21 minutes after
I figured out why there was confusion on the question, what is written picture, on canvas or cardboard. It was found that the canvas pasted on cardboard.
The first and third photos were taken with the upper incandescent lighting.
Second, using the standard flash lamp.
Enjoy!

[Дмитрий Николаевич]

For some reason, did not boot the third photo.
He can see the threads of the canvas pasted on cardboard.

Lay out in the morning.

[Дмитрий Николаевич]

DOWNLOAD!

[Игорь Гурьев]

Hmm, it would be something to talk about ...

[Toinen]

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

Hmm, it would be something to talk about ...

Yeah ...

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[Дилетант]

Сообщение от Guriev , Igor ; 2084961"

Hmm , it would be something to talk about ...

Yes , Dmitri. Rights Guriev , Igor.
The level of performance makes the landscape more research senseless (well , except for the satisfaction of purely academic interest .) Amateur painting. A sign - inventory of works of art studio in a local club <! - ~ 1 ~ ->. You laid out the general form of photos at once - would not have had so long and tedious wrangle . Three pages of clever words , and everything about nothing . Gore brought forth a mouse .
To sum up: a picture - alas! - Is not it worth the time.
P.S. Regarding Paul Sheremetev Dear Redbor, I think , just kidding ...
And your sarcasm, I personally appreciated very highly. Some sort of points in 9 (10 -point scale) ...

[Konstantin]

Сообщение от Dogel; 2082451 '

You scare all the ... ! ! ! !

Dmitry Nikolayevich not interested in the attribution of the picture ... his simple human question ....

It would seem sensible remark and reproach of despotism.
And that , really?

Сообщение от dabbler ; 2084991 '

You laid out the general form of photos at once - would not have had so long and tedious wrangle . Three pages of clever words , and everything about nothing . Gore brought forth a mouse .
To sum up: a picture - alas! - Is not it worth the time.

Here !
It is clear now why I pressed forward on the picture ?

[Дмитрий Николаевич]

Сообщение от dabbler; 2084991"

level of performance of the landscape does pointless further research (well, except for the satisfaction of purely academic interest.) Amateur painting. A sign - inventory of works of art studio in a local club.

Dear, dabbler!

This I knew, and without you. You do not want to be an expert. That's why this picture is "adorned" wall of technical facilities. And that's why I did not want to spread it. That is why it no one in my family seriously and not treated. I was probably the first, well, except for my grandfather, who drew a picture of the battered frame. But I saw there is still an interesting thing:

            Under a layer of fresher, in my opinion, oil paints and primers, at least in two places, seen

                             The second layer

In my opinion, is older than that which we see in the picture. This I noticed when viewed through a magnifying glass with a diameter of 10 cm with a sixfold increase.
But I, as I said, I am not an expert, and, of course, could be wrong, and I can not evaluate the significance of this fact.

[Fed]

The significance of this fact, no.

There may be a worse example.

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