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23.12.2010, 10:53 | Язык оригинала: Русский #61 |
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Velazquez was questionable script
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A fragment of a portrait of King Philip IV of Spain, Diego Velazquez from the Metropolitan Museum -------------------------------------------------- --------- New York's Metropolitan Museum has returned a permanent exhibition of the portrait of King Philip IV of Spain, Diego Velazquez. In 1973, this painting, which was kept in the museum for nearly 60 years and thinks the script, suddenly declared the work of one of the imitators of the artist. Now, 37 years later, after careful restoration authenticity of the portrait still reaffirmed. Thus, the museum "returned" to itself is the second painting by Velazquez in the last two years. Velazquez portrait of Philip IV wrote in 1624, a year after he was appointed court painter. King of Spain, was only 18 years old, but the work of the painter had made on him and his entourage was impressed. So large that within the next 40 years as Philip IV on the throne of portraits of the king and his family members wrote only Velázquez.
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07.01.2011, 03:08 | Язык оригинала: Русский #62 |
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"Art on Tap."
Censatsionny reporting by Boris Sobolev (Vidio)
In the sensational transfer on the channel "Russia 1", aired November 14, 2010, has been shown sensational reporting by Boris Sobolev stealing art objects in museums in Russia (see video) in connection with the publication on September 7 this year Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation terrible numbers missing nearly a quarter-million museum exhibits!STOLEN RUSSIAN MUSEUMS
How much does an independent examination and how to receive it. See More details here: VIDIOhttp://expertmus.livejournal.com/63462.html Последний раз редактировалось Artem; 08.01.2011 в 23:01. |
07.01.2011, 05:08 | Язык оригинала: Русский #63 | |
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Cleverly concocted a film intended for potential buyers of antiques in order to switch them (or money) on contemporary art. The second goal - a redistribution of market expertise. Perhaps there is some other motive, but I called the principal. The film is made by the classical method of alternation of truth and falsehood. Put together out of context views of people are painting a gloomy and even frightening picture of modern Russian antique market. At the same time, sling mud at museum collections of Russian art. All this is richly flavored with "acute" criminal "sauce." For the layman, even the wealthy, it is a signal to escape from the market. For every well-versed man this movie a negative one-sided, and some of the statements made in this movie - frank delirium! Anyone who is familiar with the realities of the market, it's a real horror movie with all the grotesque, peculiar to this genre! I repeat once again, the film cleverly done. It skillfully interwoven truth and falsehood. Did the pros! The film is necessary to analyze and comment on every statement, every single person. That propose to do. Последний раз редактировалось Тютчев; 07.01.2011 в 10:04. |
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------------------------------ Tiutchev, why discuss in detail the technology of forgery, errors that allow counterfeiters patterns, analyze the activities of museum staff experts (who are just at the Tretyakov Gallery was released more than 100 erroneous assessments) .. Judge V. Petrov on the subject gave a lot of interviews, where in great detail all lit up .. my opinion, but harm is not good does not work .. crooks art forgers only improve the quality of fakes of Russian painting and everything. I think it is enough to consider the general problems that exist in the examination of paintings, forgeries of paintings, import /export of antiques, etc. -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ For example, an interesting theme, we can discuss it .. In Russia, the provenance of works of art, antiques generally not discussed, although the west is one of the main issues in the identification of works of art ..... |
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07.01.2011, 18:12 | Язык оригинала: Русский #65 | |
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What's so interesting? With our historical past traceable evidence-provenance is more the exception than the rule. With the revolutions, wars, expropriation, confiscation and prohibition of private trade to put provenance at the forefront? In Europe, no one has ever come across with so and experience the European us here do not help. |
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07.01.2011, 18:58 | Язык оригинала: Русский #66 |
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I am afraid that this is really, dull. I know people who are about grandfathers knew nothing, and favorite provenance-grandfather brought back from the war.
In light of the movie, I'm interested in the general question of validity of assessments: not seldom reads about possible expert advice forgers and even of the experts themselves in this direction. If we consider the total criminalization and corruption of all layers, then it could bypass the bulk of the experts. Moreover, knowing the energy (not "in the vector" of Russian), I guess that leftist streams. In the west, seized bundles of direct falsification. There probably containers. Direct and "soft" "fakes. About Ukraine and not writing. Recently read some articles (polit. fight haze lifted whole) and became more clearly represent what is only joking. In general, the question - can we seriously talk about the reality of Russian expert? And on the other hand, is it worth much if it's all sad-zalepuha. After all, there is a piece of paper, but what else do you want? And who can deny it? Another "expert" local spill. Only because of today's posts: "After the successful bidding Makdugalls in June 2010 and December 2010 can be concluded that the experts Makdugallsa - out of 12 exhibited works D. Burliuk to sell at least 10 paintings were fakes ..." OlegTsi of experts Grabar and Rybakova Yu Ie to need to put paper acquisition most pompous office, both now and in communicating with officials, means-nothing-all goal. I think at this stage, this approach optimizes the direction of motion. and then, all bylem and provenance porastet. |
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07.01.2011, 19:57 | Язык оригинала: Русский #67 |
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Seems to me that with the expertise of course difficult (always had a hard time), but progress will not be because of the laws of what is happening.
Namely: 1) The buyer does not trust the dealer, because dealers are interested in profits (the exceptions of dealers with great reputations do not charge by virtue of their exclusivity) 2) Refers to an expert for whom (at least theoretically) reputation should be the top priority as other capital he has. Fact of, by and large satisfied with all. The client is comforted, the dealer has a scapegoat (like, if that, I do not know, I trusted expert) 3) the collective reputation of a stable personal + zamorochennost Russian population at high-profile brands forced to give priority to high office (hence any mediocrity has appeared in force in case the flow is in favor and get the trust) 4) yesterday's art (the ball), and felt its relevance is experiencing some (depending on the individual's Resistance), dizziness from success and begins to try and ryadit right and left (after all important for the expert "did not have a pass for, and aplomb, and then feed bag on the blades of all the other qualities) ergo flawed at all levels of the system and the changes will not happen. Humble! Customers - to be deceived by their darkness and superstition; dealers - run by experts because of their greed and self-confidence to outwit all, the experts - let it all in order to remain a star (and it is ready to embark on a star for the sake of status, we all know from glossy magazines ) |
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07.01.2011, 20:45 | Язык оригинала: Русский #68 |
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Tiutchev, why discuss in detail the technology of forgery, errors that allow counterfeiters patterns, analyze the activities of museum staff experts (who are just at the Tretyakov Gallery was released more than 100 erroneous assessments) .. Judge V. Petrov on the subject gave a lot of interviews, where in great detail all lit up .. my opinion, but harm is not good does not work .. crooks art forgers only improve the quality of fakes of Russian painting and everything. I think it is enough to consider the general problems that exist in the examination of paintings, forgeries of paintings, import /export of antiques, etc. -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ I agree with you, is it so. But what about the experts who already have done Affairs ... Boris Sobolev in the film "Art on Tap" in the movie "Bugs or scam" DVD. persons involved in these scandals, the expert one and same characters. That is the question! Samples from the movie "Bugs or scam" See Here, there is http://video.yandex.ru/users/temnoepivo/view/1 -------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- Artem Последний раз редактировалось Artem; 07.01.2011 в 21:35. Причина: Добавлено сообщение |
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The forum is the subject of art fakes M. Saryan, with the expertise of the Tretyakov Gallery, there is all discussed in detail, there is no point in repeating 1. http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...131#post836131 2. http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...001#post836001 -------------------------------------------------- ----- For beginners, collectors, classics of the genre (2006) "... The document examination - just professional advice, which has no legal weight." We - the state organization that does not insure, do not give guarantees. They are our views got. Can listen or not "- explains the director of research restoration center it. Grabar Alexei Vladimirov ... " http://www.forbes.ru/forbes/issue/20...dutoe-sobranie ---------------------------------------------- |
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A brief comment lawyers on the legal
Regulation expert activity: Deleted as unnecessary. Последний раз редактировалось Artem; 09.01.2011 в 01:45. Причина: Добавлено сообщение |
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