Abstract forever

[Маруся]

Peter, I was just trying to avoid exactly examples of music with titles.
Otherwise, what's the point of my post ...
I mean: the first concert of Tchaikovsky, 9 Sonata Bethvena ID
Even the famous Chopin etudes and waltzes - and those just under the numbers ...

[Станиславский]

Сообщение от Peter

Maroussia, but the name often brings to an abstract work of a plot, directing the viewer to a specific ruslo.Eto found in music. "Sabre Dance," "Flight of the Bumblebee" - what might think listening to this music, if not in name.

This is called "program music." Separate musical genre.

[kr555]

Сообщение от Peter

Maroussia, but the name often brings to an abstract work of a plot, directing the viewer to a specific ruslo.Eto found in music. "Sabre Dance," "Flight of the Bumblebee" - what might think listening to this music, if not in name.

Well, these names - just a crutch for students with disabilities. No such independent work "Flight of the Bumblebee" by Rimsky-Korsakov's never given names are not mentioned, there are orchestral intermezzo from the opera "The Tale of Tsar Saltan. To this music has become part of pop culture, had to invent a friendly for the people of the name.
From abstract painting about the same, not every viewer's imagination enough to correct the perception that many are afraid confusion and not ready for it.

[Станиславский]

Сообщение от kr555

Well, these names - just a crutch for students with disabilities.

Do you think?
What, for instance, Debussy - Afternoon of a Faun, "" Triumph of Bacchus "," Prints, "" Island of Happiness "," Masks? "

[Peter]

Сообщение от Maroussia

Peter, I was just trying to avoid exactly examples of music with titles. Otherwise, what's the point of my post ... I mean: the first concert of Tchaikovsky's Symphony 9 Bethvena ID Even the famous Chopin etudes and waltzes - and those just under the numbers ...
You are nothing like? For example, a Kandinsky - Composition № ...

Maroussia, I understand you correctly. Tchaikovsky, Beethoven and Chopin regular listener can still perceive, but the title of Kandinsky's "Composition № .." usually drives the man simply in a stupor. . Another Whistler its quite substantive work called Symphony ("The White", "In Grey", etc.) rather than completely puzzled his contemporaries.

[kr555]

Сообщение от Stanislavski

do you think?
What, for instance, Debussy - Afternoon of a Faun, "" Triumph of Bacchus "," Prints, "" Island of Happiness "," Masks "?

Too crutches in my opinion, only in this case, their author himself adapted to music.

[DSF]

Fabosch, you have long been correctly understood me) All that way. Matisse drawing closer to the pole of color, because "in fact the line - it is only a special example of the color spot. It represents a case where the area of color spots is close to zero. Color spot, usually located on top of empty space, not inside it. "(R. Arnheim). Try to move away from the monitor meters at 2-3, what you see? In the first case, you'll still see the baby's head in the second - only bright spot. What does this mean? The fact that in the first case, the dominant form in the second - the color.
Thank you Art-lover, at Arnheim. "Art and Visual Perception" is very interesting and useful to the artist's book. Of course, in addition to the shape and color, there are dynamics, expression, internal stress and many other important things. But still, the shape and color of the primary and there are always, without them there can be neither expression nor the expression, no space, no more.
Another quote from the book: "Throughout this book, I spent the idea that value based on a simple learning or knowledge, at best play a secondary role for artistic purposes. The artist must rely on the direct and independent effects of perceptual powers of human consciousness ». Our task is to master these forces and learn to use them consciously.

[fross]

Сообщение от DSF

Another quote from the book: "Throughout this book, I spent the idea that value based on a simple learning or knowledge, at best play a secondary role for artistic purposes. The artist must rely on the direct and independent effects of perceptual powers of human consciousness ». Our task is to master these forces and learn to use them consciously.

And learned - creating conceptualism, immediately and directly affecting the mind, rejecting as unnecessary and shape and color

[Pavel]

At the abstract and ended.
In the words of Van Gogh, a dead end.
Set as were all the imitators.
Oh, and amateurs.

[fabosch]

Сообщение от DSF

Fabosch, you have long been correctly understood me) All that way. Matisse drawing closer to the pole of color, because "in fact the line - it is only a special example of the color spot. It represents a case where the area of color spots is close to zero. Color spot, usually located on top of empty space, not inside it. "(R. Arnheim). Try to move away from the monitor meters at 2-3, what you see? In the first case, you'll still see the baby's head in the second - only bright spot. What does this mean? The fact that in the first case, the dominant form in the second - the color.

Well, your position is understandable, but for me it is not close. Then again, it turns out that the first two of the above I have pictures - is a pole of color, and the second - a pole shape. Well, excuse me, I will never meet the approach that this kind of art, the graphics (I mean, first of all, a picture, using primarily a linear approach) is no different from painting, simply because, from your point of view, this same approach to color and form. This is not talking about a misunderstanding zhivipisi and graphics, as different types of creative thinking, but rather on the harmfulness of such an approach.
Incidentally, your argument about moving away from the screen does not work in case of drawing a thick line (such as ink, brush). In this case, the image turned into a white patch need to get away as far as any other image, too, becomes a homogeneous spot