that the comparison may be in the post-Soviet man's head emerged, even in a kind of mosaic. Light through this colorful mosaic penetrates already distorted, but this is nonsense. The main thing is beautiful. And is the intended response: "Uh, сцуки, ruined the country ...". In the mosaic of red dancing devils, visible and audible grin gebistov prichmokivaniya different Yakovlev, Dugin, parshevyh and Khazinah.
In the past, the conversation dealt with the myth-twin - "declarations" Margaret Thatcher and duplicated his statements about John Major, that, say, Russia should retain only 15-50 million people. With this forgery, which was thrown in the post-Soviet gebistami information space somewhere in the late 80's and early 90-ies (the exact date of "stuffing" is extremely difficult to install so far) seems to be sorted out. Now it goes the myth that the patriotic public is very actively circulated in and declined as well, and in their print media (and not only them - myth permeates even in the book). And the criticism that she, like her "gebeshnye" shepherds react more rapidly than. And it can be a big myth, which was supposed to drop a handful of powerful fertilizer in richly manured soil of the universal resentment of post-Soviet Akaki Akkievicha. And fell, so it should be noted that many sensible people are convinced that their mosaic - skip white, daylight. I'm going as a modest strength and capabilities neatly so hammer to beat on this mosaic. Piece Thatcher already knocked out, now it will consider how Allen Dulles (Allen Dulles).
Personally, I was faced with a plan Dulles 10.11 years ago. Then, even without vaccination against junk patriotic press, bought in the course of some corresponding-sheet, where the thumb issue a "curse" of the West, who sleeps and dreams, as if to deny him "dear to the Soviet comrades" of unearthly socialist "щастья. In support of their theory the authors propose to read the plan A. Dulles. Then, as often seen references to this plan, but somehow I seriously do not perceive. The need to seriously discuss the "plan" arose two years ago, when one of the forums saw postpatriota brains floating about in the same Thatcher and John Foster Dulles. I note specifically - a full investigation I did not have, and probably an error, inaccuracy, and not pretend I'm on a kind of "truth". In general, what we got.
So, from the very beginning we have to understand, but what "looks" a myth? The fact that it is essential "formulation" myth. The last time I wrote about the myth-duplicate Thatcher-Major, the language (in other words "body" myth) in various publications, and various authors varied somewhat, reducing, however the thesis about the "need" the decline of population in Russia ( varied only numbers - from 15 to 50 million, which is not important). Important signs of a myth - it is patchy and the lack of precise references to the source. Sketchy, especially since repeated the same in different editions and the authors suggest that the authors banal rewrite each other this passage, there is little trouble to (and why they need it?) At least some critical test. That is, get the ring, where it is difficult to find out who someone took it. Karl stole corals from Klara .. "and so on. Kontsov almost none. The second sign of fakes - is the lack of references to the source. A rather just a chronic lack of source. Proponents of the myth have it even "invent". On this and catch them. As previously discussed the case with the myth of the Thatcher-Major source of never been called by anyone but the search has only made mention of the fact that 1) it was kind of transfer to the BBC, where Margaret Thatcher declared that "the efficient economy of the USSR works only 15 million people "(cited by Parshevu), 2) that was allegedly relevant article in 1984 in the British Times (cited by Kalashnikov). Articles this, of course, was not even there. A sure sign is also a "poluistochnik" - ie, adherents of the myth of the curve uhmylochkoy vparivayut name of some little books, articles - here, here you are, the source. Calculation of the fact that 90%of people simply will not dig! And it works.
The third important feature - the myth appears as if from nowhere in the information field, and so that all his "history" is absolutely empty. A striking example of this - version of the myth of Kalashnikov-duplicate Thatcher-Major - a statement, say so, just cannibalistic nature of 1984 (supposedly), the USSR remains unanswered. Strange? And this is a country that has very much liked to kick over, and without regard to his enemies in the Cold War (as well as those it?). Believe this is impossible. That is, a myth, there is nothing - no information environment, content. He itself. And this is strange.
The myth of the terms of Allen Dulles has all the same features, although I note once, it worked out much better. Feels that the guys worked on them in earnest. So looks like he a myth? In Russia and declined as well (and I especially will not link mainly on this part informprostranstva, so everyone can check myself) tend to give here the wording:
"After the war, all somehow settled down, settled. And we'll throw everything we have - all gold, all the material power of stultification and Fooling people.
The human brain, consciousness of people are able to change. Sowing chaos there, we soon be replaced by the value of counterfeit and force them to believe these false values. How? We find like-minded people, their allies in Russia itself.
Episode for episode will play out on the grand scope of the tragedy of the death of a disobedient people on earth, final, irreversible extinction of its identity. From the literature and art, for example, we gradually eradicate their social nature, break with artists, recapture their psychical image ... study or something, those processes that occur in the depths of the masses. Literature, theater, cinema-all will portray and glorify the basest human emotions. We will do our best to maintain and raise the so-called artists who will plant and hammered in human consciousness is a cult of sex, violence, sadism, treachery, in short, of all immorality. In public administration, we will create chaos and confusion.
We are quietly but actively and continuously promote the tyranny of officials, bribe-takers, lack of principle. Bureaucracy and red tape will be erected into a virtue. Honesty and integrity will be ridiculed and no one will be needed, will become a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug abuse, animal fear each other, and the shamelessness and betrayal, nationalism and hatred of peoples, especially the hostility and hatred towards the Russian people-all this we will be neatly and inconspicuously to cultivate all this bloom color terry .
And only a few, very few would guess, or even understand what is happening. But these people we put in a helpless position, made a mockery, they find a way to slander and call dregs of society. We pull up the spiritual roots, debase and destroy the foundations of traditional morality. We will shatter the way generation after generation. We take up of people from childhood, teenage years, the main bet is always going to do for young people, become corrupt, corrupt, defile it. We will make them cynics, vulgar, rootless cosmopolitans.
That's how we have done so.
(
http://www.miroslavie.ru/optimalist/dok31.htm)
Specially marked - in AND-nete reigns remarkably unanimous on the reproduction of this quotation. That is, "copyright" edits are not very many. But, they are still there, and very funny. Thus, the word here and there, the Soviet Union voluntarily changed to "Russia", and the Ukrainian political forum (
www.polit.mk.ua) The local communists creatively inserted the word "Ukraine".
"By sowing chaos in the Soviet Union, we are quietly replacing them on the value of counterfeit and force them to believe these false values. How? We find like-minded people ... its allies and associates in Ukraine itself. Episode for episode will play out on the grand scope of the tragedy of the death of a disobedient people on earth, final, irreversible extinction of his self ... Literature, theater, movies - everything will depict and glorify the basest human emotions.
We will do our best to maintain and raise the so-called creators, who will enforce and grind into the human consciousness of the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal - in short all immorality. In public administration, we will create confusion ... We will promote tyranny unnoticed officials, bribe-takers, lack of principle. Bureaucracy and red tape will be erected in a virtue ...
Honesty and integrity will be ridiculed and no one will be needed, will become a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug abuse, animal fear each other, and the shamelessness and betrayal, nationalism and hatred of peoples, and above all animosity and hatred towards the Russian people - all this we will be neatly and inconspicuously to cultivate all this bloom Terry color. And only a few, very few would guess, or even understand what is happening. But such people, we
put in a helpless position, making a mockery, we find a way to defame, declare the dregs of society ... "
That is, this "body" myth. The body with enough kutsee: none of the distributors of myth and not trying (well, it is clear) somehow expand quotation. Thus, only some changes inside. And this is strange - because it would seem, if the source is known, we can safely expand and quoted a passage to include new elements. Fortunately, if you believe the patriotic sites, and newspapers, then such a source they have. Typically, anywhere (with rare exceptions), this quote is a reference to the book, Dulles, "Thoughts on the realization of the American post-war doctrine against the USSR", 1945 is true, and there has not been without joke: Ukrainian Communists believe that the quotation comes from a certain document entitled frightening-promising title "Plan of the defeat of the Soviet Union. Of course, there's a reference to the date of this plan and the time of its publication no. However, mock Ukrainian colleagues Zyuganov will not, that they take, go to "mainstream". And it sought to Dulles' book entitled "Reflections on the implementation of the American postwar doctrine against the USSR", 1945
Judging by the abundant citation of this book in our and declined as well, it seems that it is everyone, and everywhere it can get. However! The first thing I am concerned, and what I wrote above - it is rigid quotes. Quote for some reason is not expanding, not decreasing. Is this book from A. Dulles is only one such remarkable quotation? Well, all right, let's imagine that this is so. The second point - I am beginning to find fault. Page number, year of publication of this book. And patiently watch the reaction of patriotic opponent. You'll laugh, but in 8 out of 10 cases, he prefers to terminate the conversation, but in the remaining two starts to throw mud at an opponent. Well, this does not scare (although slightly below give an example of discussions with the Patriots). So, no link to a page in this remarkable book, just such a wonderful book no. The book is, quote, too, every gebist claims that it had almost no reading, but here's page, year of publication ... Opensource projects, eh, forgot. Happens. The most sophisticated are asked to believe that the book is stored in the secret "spetsharanah. That's such a mystery! The same happens.
The collective amnesia of the translators of the myth of "minor" detail - it is also a characteristic feature of an artificial creation.
So that's how I found out (searching for and through Rossiyskuyu Book Chamber), in Russia and the USSR (at least since the late 70-ies) of the book with this title ... Alas, gentlemen, patriots, but not issued. It is possible that it was published earlier. Only here to find out the date of its withdrawal, as well as details (circulation, etc.) - no one can. Gebe, abundantly referring to the "book", as I said, instantly falls in amnesia when asked to name a release date for this beautiful book. Do not remember. Hurt them something.
In fact, to understand that such a book from Allen Dulles is not enough just to see his biography and a bibliography (and the CIA chief was remarkably prolific in the epistolary genre). And all business! Look (actually I have no means a complete bibliography, simply chose the most important works. Of course, "secret reports" allegedly "kept" in the College there were not included).
Books:
Dulles, Allen. Germany's Underground (1947)
Dulles, Allen. The Craft of Intelligence. New York: Harper & Row, 1963. London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1963. Boulder, CO: Westview, 1985. [pb] New York: Signet Books, 1965.
Dulles, Allen. The Secret Surrender (1966).
Allen Dulles (editor): Great True Spy, 1967
Articles (speech):
Dulles, Allen W. "Analysis of Communist Techniques for Conquest. Address Aug. 9, 1962." Vital Speeches of the Day 28 (1 Oct. 1962):
Dulles, Allen W. "Central Intelligence Agency." Business Lawyer 16 (Nov. 1960): 48.
Dulles, Allen. "Free World Defense Against Communist Subversion: An Address, October 3, 1955." Department of State Bulletin, 17 Oct. 1955, 600-604.
Of course, this is not all articles.
More bibliography A. Dulles contained here:
http://intellit.muskingum.edu/alpha_...er/dulles.html
Thus, among the books of A. Dulles, we sought our books (and articles) - "Reflections on the implementation of the American postwar doctrine of the USSR" (I understand that the English version may differ in name, but at least some line must be the same) never find. In principle, one can refer to the forgetfulness of the patriots, they say, they took a quote is not from that. Okay. For example, in the Soviet era works Dulles hid in special depositories (God forbid that the general public learned about this "friend" of the Soviet people). But in modern Russia Dulles works in Russian translation are being released regularly. Do not believe me? Here:
A. Dulles. The Secret Surrender. M Tsentrpoligraf, 2002
"Great spy stories from Allen Dulles, M., 2004.
Allen Dulles. CIA against the KGB. The art of espionage. - M.: Tsentrpoligraf, 2000, 425 pp.
Etc.
However, references to these books and patriots gebnya not give. Alas. Thus drawn patriots link to the alleged Dulles book of 1945 - 100%fake. For there is none. Book-phantom. There is only a single quote, without reference to the page. Go further.
In discussions with the Patriots when they were pinned to the wall this argument shame, they begin to shift. I begin to pour some new references, accompanying them with curses and cries - "But it's all we know!". Do not believe me? Here's an example of behavior of patriots and gebni on this forum (
http://www.contr-tv.ru/):
"Are you stupid? What LIBRARY familiar?
LIBRARY - this is the sort of establishment where a lot of fiction.
This Fiction can take a look. Normally
countries - for free. Go and see.
Well what are you, iudoprotestanty obtuse.
You asking - "And prove it, water is wet."
You say - "When he reached the bathroom, so check it myself,
and you - "No, you give us ссылочку.
Translation sufficiently accurate. Ensure that you can
when you come to the library and taking the binder NYT for August 52 th and
book "The Eternal Call" Ivanova (do not remember what volume there ...)» ...
(
http://www.contr-tv.ru/discuss/166/10/)
Well, how are you? About the book "Eternal Call" a bit later. And now about the New York Times. As we see, cuddled in the corner patriot begins hysterical. Like, now no longer in the book quote, and in the newspaper. Well, well, they said - the newspaper, then newspaper. Generally I like NYT. You know why? Because there is an archive of 1851, which contains about 16 million articles, and user-friendly archive search. Adept myth does not know? He believes that boarding NYT kept in the Library. Maybe there too. At the same forum patriots give even "accurate" link:
Porter, Russel. "Dulles Gives Plan to Free Red Lands." The New York Times. August 28, 1952, p. A12.
The calculation here, as everywhere else that no one will climb to look for this article. But again - now is not the Stone Age and, with free 10 minutes, because you can always verify this information, is not it? What doing. Looking for a story with the author during 1952, the month of August. And? Nothing. Absolutely. I was looking for, simply can not find it?
Fake, in simple terms. Well, we are not patriots. We extend the search. Looking at all about Allen Dulles. Drops about three dozen references to articles in 1952 (which mentions his name). We read a short summary. And? Again, nothing. It seemed only amusing note By WILLIAM M. BLAIRSpecial to THE NEW YORK TIMES .. New York, N.Y.: Oct 1, 1952. pg. 1, 2 pgs, which speaks of the danger of infiltration of "communists" in the intelligence service. And what do you think? United States, too, went mad.
Postpatrioty trying to somehow save the situation. This gives a very informative link:
"Hitler has published its plans in the book" Mein Kampf "
well before 1941.
Dulles has used his ideas in his work.
In the article the journalist quoted excerpts from the report
Dulles, 1945, he was not then CIA director,
Yes, and 7 years have passed, what nafig secrecy.
The entire report was published
in any room US News & World Report for several
years later. "
(
http://www.contr-tv.ru/discuss/166/10/)
It appears now to be found in "some" issue of US News & World Report. Everything arrived. With the same success I slapped myself a lot of options - in some rooms NYT - go check it out. Published since 1851.
Netuti options. Not a single coherent. Nothing. Vaabsche. By the end of the conversation patriots break out the usual abuse:
"Follow the requirements of" links "to the text will
regarded as evidence of absolute idiocy
requires.
Moreover, unsuccessful attempts to prove
"fake" quotation is evidence
that Judas did not change their tactics one iota --
the conversation with the CONTENT on the elucidation
source and so empty talk. And as always,
Judas in the bay, because there is not virtual
"ссылочка", but quite real, yellowed from
time sheet of newspaper.
The reluctance of requiring proof of these
look at the evidence - there is nothing like
banal spinning tail so inherent
children of the devil. "
(Ibid.)
Thus here. The cries "do not you dare!", "Enemies," "you bastards!" - All familiar? Therefore gebe, and says: trebuesh links vrazhina? Fig you.
Now about the literary side of the mythical plan of Allen Dulles. Any man who knows English, the text in Russian translation, so to speak, "body" of the myth, it may seem (or maybe not, because everything depends on the "framework" in humans) is somewhat strange. Once he is too emotionally written, downright propagandistic language. But it is a subjective observation. However, it is, strangely enough, is confirmed by objective facts - the fact that the "body" myth, which is a different color vparivayut visitors to the KGB men and has declined as well most that is on the "artistic" work. " In order not to write their thoughts, just to quote quite "conservative" "Red Star" (do not think anyone would be opposed?) On October 28, 2004 (
http://www.redstar.ru/2004/10/28_10/4_01.html):
"... The first time saying, very similar in meaning with" quote from Dulles, appeared in the USSR in the ... literature. In 1965 in Kiev, Publishing House Radyansky письменник "was a novel Y. Dold-Mikhailik" And a soldier in the field. In its second part - "a prisoner of the Black Knights" - U.S. General Dumbrayt inspecting razvedshkolu, utters the words, which can be regarded as free description units Dulles deployment of the ideological war against the USSR.
Later, something similar delivers another literary character - one of the negative characters of the novel by Anatoly Ivanov "Eternal Call". I read a writer, the product of his Ukrainian counterpart in Peru or was familiar with some document from the archives of the KGB plans to the CIA - is unknown. But the coincidences in our lives are extremely rare, so most likely a quote attributed to Allen Dulles, was introduced as a writer and journalist's everyday life in the time of Brezhnev's someone from the security services. People are creative willing to use it, because it meets their beliefs and, in general, consistent with what was then the strategy of "psychological warfare".
At the turn of 1980-1990-s "statement Dulles, with a direct indication of the authorship of the CIA director, appears in the socio-political articles by opponents of Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin. At the same time the first time sounds and the name of the document, dated December 1945: "Reflections on the implementation of the American postwar doctrine against the USSR. But what is it - article, chapter of the book, memorandum or oral - is nowhere indicated.
For the sake of objectivity we must admit that from a linguistic point of view of the authenticity of the quoted remarks raises some doubts. Quote sounds very emotional, but it is very unusual for an English rhetoric - "native" English language would have built it a little differently. It does not save even a reference to the translation style, the differences in the systems of English and Russian - all this is too "literary".
So if it really thought Dulles, then we are not dealing with the translation of written text, but with free paraphrase someone heard an oral presentation.
That's all, gentlemen, patriots and gebisty. Myth of the terrible and horrible this "plan", the secret is crumbling before our eyes. Citations his supporters can not give, and vparivat nonsense about the NYT or non-existent book is silly. His "body" - A. Ivanov. "Eternal Call", Part Five: "Death and Immortality". And if more accurately - a dialogue of the conversation AM Lahnovskogo and PP Polipova.
In fact, I did not discover America. All this is known. I just brought it all together.
Thus, the reconstruction of the myth is as follows: in the first 50 years in the artwork were made a few theses. Later, they began seriously to consider, as a kind of "document". By the end of 80 years, this "document" getting even "registration" - that is, some reference to some source (but not earlier than 1983 - a monumental creation Yakovleva the CIA against the Soviet Union. "M,, 1983 the plan is No - as far as I remember). Of course, the source of phantom. But the main thing is sdalno - thesis begins to exaggerate, but doubters gebisty whisper - you have that doubt? Our "Ramzan" Everyone knows the source, they say, true. Eat, Vanya.
A "Ramzan" we still believe.
If someone will be constructive suggestions, I would be grateful.
Respect,
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