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In the "Novaya Gazeta" read an article by Igor Lavrovsky (Igor Lavrovsky Economist - Director of consulting company "contacts" and has taught at Carleton University (Canada), has advised the U.S. Congress, working with Russian companies and in the central office of the party "United Russia")
The author's opinion on the history, political life in Russia seemed to me unusual, different from the traditional ...
This is a major political force in the country, which was born under the NEP, has received political dominance with the collapse of the Soviet Union and gladly took in their leaders, Vladimir Putin.
Obvious processes taking place for centuries, for some reason seem to be hidden from mainstream science. Funny stare at the keyhole peeping at a neighbor than to see what grows in her garden. And the Russian "social garden" has grown our original vegetable - the Russian bourgeoisie, and is about to finally legalize their exclusive rights in Russia.
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end of the Empire

The Russian Empire was a classic feudal structure. The king was the supreme feudal lord, vassal of which were "national margin," each headed by their own lords of the Bukhara Khan to the Baltic Electors. Europeanized House of Romanov, literally possessed by Russia. The class structure was characteristic of feudal society: the top class of landlords, at the bottom of the peasant class. Get underfoot of the main classes of tradesmen were minority and a social object of ridicule from both landlords and intellectuals who had joined them, and from the peasantry.

80 percent of the population of Russia until 1917 were just farmers - a stronghold of power-king father. And it was less than a century ago. The feudal structure of the same in her great-variant existed in Russia for about four centuries (for comparison - two stories of the United States) and became a huge social inertia. Like it or not, but it was so. King-owner, a dense class of privileged landowners and peasants sea. Cities and towns with their small philistine life of drowning in a sea of ​​villages.

The situation began to change slowly at the end of XIX-early XX centuries. Industrial development, mostly borrowed from Europe, not Self-begotten and created more small working class and some Stolz, Lopakhin stating their claims to the social role of the feudal structure. Enlightened intellectuals 200 years rotated to the West, saw this as the prospects of social convergence with Western Europe, where they habitually spend their holidays, and links. And this convergence may have occurred would have its own specific dalnevostochnoevropeyskih forms closer Austria and Bulgaria than in England or Switzerland, had it not been a great war.

Russia usually draw a random victim of the First World, not losing it because of Lenin, not because of Rasputin. In fact, Russia has played a passive role is not in training division of the world. In the middle of the XIX century tsarist empire began the same process of national identity, as in other feudal empires of the time - from Germany to the Ottoman sultanate. The dominant motif in the multi-ethnic feudal empire became a motif of Slavic identity - the way of the "Third Rome." Hence, war and political intervention in the Balkans and the Slavic ancestral territories of Austria-Hungary. This put Russia on the path to the former counter longstanding allies - Germany and Austria, and thrown into the arms of the Anglo-French Entente. March on Constantinople ended as a result of the Brest peace and the first collapse of the empire. From under Russian eagle slid second most important Slavic country - Poland. Since then, the Slavs in Russia alone are in trouble - from the "Prague Spring" to John Paul II, Lech Walesa and Yushchenko with Lukashenko.

Third Rome was unsuccessful, then tried the Third International. The Bolshevik Party came to power with populist slogans prokrestyanskimi, and finished the restoration of the empire is almost the same borders, but with much more stringent and all-out state machine. Loose imperial rule was replaced by Stalin's autocracy.

What happened to the class structure? The old class of landlords, before the revolution eroded by internal crisis and the coming of capitalism in Europe, part disappeared physically, geographically a part. And the peasant class was the lowest caste in the militarized system obsessed with the industrial accumulation. But the artificial classes, invented formal sociology, does not arise. Working peasants and the working class, plus a layer - the Soviet intelligentsia, turned out to be a swan, a pike and cancer. None of them received an artificial social roles conceived by Marxism-Leninism.

One of the curious error of Marx lies in the fact that nowhere in the world proletariat, they have won or oppressed, the proletarians do not want to be. "Iron battalions of the proletariat" - is nothing more than ad hoc political movement, short-term in nature. It is impossible to survive for long in the barracks, "the army of the proletariat." Inevitably the erosion of an unstable social stratum and the mass overflow troops in more stable and familiar social forms and norms. The Communists saw it, but do nothing about it could not and did not. "The fight against philistinism," proceeded the entire Soviet period and ended in complete surrender to communism, the Russian bourgeoisie. A nomenclature cadres, it is theoretically intended to provide ideological and social purity regime omeschanivalis themselves faster than their subordinates.

The first burst of energy as the new middle class coming to power of the class occurred during the NEP. But do not think that the rejection of the NEP led to the termination gain middle class as a class. Stalinism merely codified and regulated the accumulation of petty-bourgeois, and his neo-classicism is a direct reflection of volte-face - the revolution is over, the poor sent back to where it should be. Stalin's home, giving professors, company cars have set the ceiling of the Soviet dream, to which the ideological empire has sought all her allotted years.

In the Soviet period philistinism strengthened quantitatively and ideologically. Urbanization and development of education peremololi former peasants into the new middle class. Urban class has become a major class of society, and gradually began to find their identity and realize themselves politically. Class clean ride mostly on the old privileged classes and by the revolutionaries. The City also remained relatively unaffected by the petty bourgeoisie revolution, and of course, and naturally not only rooted in the new system, but also transformed it from within. Not being ideologically and socially biased neither Tsarist regime, neither the Soviets, the petty bourgeoisie has developed neutral-negative attitude toward the grandiose projects of the same state of the Third Rome and the triumph of communism throughout the world. Came to the fore the family, their own education, entertainment and consumption.

In the late Brezhnevism comes the golden age of Soviet philistinism: the relative liberalism of the opening to Western sources of information and ideas that increase the availability of material goods - all of this weakened the power of the nomenklatura, which had to be torn between their own and omeschanivaniem old communist industrial nakopitelskimi paradigms. In addition, a growing bourgeoisie interested in their roots and pochvenizirovalos - thousands of Easter demonstrations in predperestroechnoe time, hardly ever happen to already be seen. Bourgeois was the national and international did not want to add on yourself. Bourgeois rejected empire, and it finally collapsed.

The war for your flower bed

The end of the old system simultaneously was the beginning of a new system. Starting with the restructuring of the Russian government is not doing anything else, how does the new political order of the Russian hegemony. The first thing discovered artisan, having won in 1991, political power, is that he is hungry and wants to cover up the shame. Accordingly, all Soviet restrictions on foreign trade, all these "Birches" and spetsraspredeliteli collapsed. It became available to all the same that is available to class brothers in other countries. You can blame the speculators, markets and wild, "Bush legs", but their existence was merely a response to a national cry - "We want today, we are now." At the same time old Soviet system collapsed trade privileges. After changing clothes, eaten, swept across Europe, a multimillion-dollar class burghers acquired a new dignity. He has no complexes. This is a specific real boys and girls, in whatever age they may be stayed.

A "middle class" is a mythic fantasy, like "working class" of Communist ideology. In Russia the average, that is purified from a subject of national traits vigilant care of impersonal bureaucracy, the class does not exist. The middle class exists only in America. And just because there exists an extremely heterogeneous immigrant community, which can operate only with the utmost uniformity. The middle class - it's not the name of this barcode. Politically correct designation of who in Germany would be a burgher, and the burghers of Germany has not been canceled, and mark them unlikely to even the European Parliament, and in England - the impoverished town squire. Russia in this respect closer to the European countries, not U.S., so we have an urban core and also its class, national, and not some kind of average ...

In the 1990s there was a total battle townspeople for their beds for their feeding fields. The call to take sovereignty into their own hands reached the last six acres. Today, almost everyone has sovereignty, it is the same property over something. Poor little left. Opposition obsessively reproduce the myth of the "dying of Russia" on poverty outside Moscow. This, of course, looking to compare. Prior to Illinois, there is still far away, but now even small cities have all or nearly all of the attributes of the new middle-class life - a roof covered with new houses, supermarket chains, satellite dishes, cars and so on and so forth. The winning class snapped up the beds in the best of their abilities and capabilities and hard to cultivate. Give these "beds" nobody no one will be.

This was not written, but in the 1990s, a new artisan thrown out of the country's surging foreign seekers of easy prey. Saved the country from an economic grip. So far ikaetsya lawsuits by "foot" and other hapless newcomers. In the early 1990s I spent much time abroad, working as a professor at a foreign university, and after one of the next arrivals was surprised to see a turn in the mass consciousness of my generation and younger people. If during perestroika all literally in the hands of foreigners were, somewhere, by 1995, Americans have become amerikosov (as they then were called, I do not even want to play here). This happened long before Vladimir Putin, despite a strong pro-Western while still promoting the media, and reflect the results of an open contact with the real, not book by foreigners. Bourgeois felt in them a clear threat to your garden beds and showed them the door. And it was on this wave came Putin, and not vice versa, allegedly came and set up all against the West. Try to have someone to set up something ...

Recapitalization philistines

The next election will take place in difficult conditions of continuing economic crisis. The risk of political tension due to the deteriorating economic situation is very high. And the forecast for 10 years now give simpler than 2-3 years in advance because of my foreseeable possibility of entering a zone of turbulence. If we talk about the ten-year horizon, we can predict the growth of political partisanship and petty-bourgeois class raising the level of the social dimension of life - education, health, transport infrastructure, etc. In other words, to continue the social rapprochement between Russia and the West. This can prevent the sudden appearance of the "cash gap" because giperzavisimosti Russia on foreign trade. Reflex response to the economic catastrophe will be the radicalization of Russian politics and attempts to close the external markets, which will lead to further decline.

Constructive way out of a possible catastrophic situation can only be a failure of policy-Kudrinskaya postgaydarovsko shy emission limitation foreign exchange earnings to government-sponsored mass creation of jobs, read: the new "beds." To save the regime to ensure uninterrupted recapitalize the middle class.

Calls for Scrapping treatment usually comes from people who break first. Intellectuals have nothing to learn and always ready to risk a new revolution and, as always, his neck. Social base in the pro-Western intellectuals on this side of the Atlantic, no. There are simply no constituency. Mikhail Prokhorov, because of its pragmatism simply could not ignore this, noting that the word "opposition" is firmly stuck to the political marginalism.

Democratic politics must be based on reality and take into account the reality occurring processes in the country. Class burghers nemonoliten, and it is clearly distinguished service class and petty bourgeois philistines amateur. Servitors burgers are the support base for Putin and his support groups. To anyone other than Vladimir Putin, Dmitry Medvedev, is based, I can not identify. Sorry, nothing personal («Sorry, nothing personal" - Eng.). Mikhail Prokhorov might find support among those close to him by nature of amateur middle class, if he could save his party from the real or perceived pro-Western. Our burghers their burgers are not needed here. It is a fact, and if they do not realize that effective policies can not be built.

P.S. Of course, a new class brings with it its own culture. Post-imperial intelligentsia still rests, does not want the dustbin of history. But the louder sounds Russian chanson. Listen and you hear the music of the future. In Magadan ...
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[QUOTE=Moriakoff; 1706331] The "Novaya Gazeta" read an article by Igor Lavrovsky (Igor Lavrovsky Economist - Director of consulting company "contacts" and has taught at Carleton University (Canada), has advised the U.S. Congress, working with Russian companies and the central office of the party " United Russia ")
The author's opinion on the history, political life in Russia seemed to me unusual, different from the traditional ...
This is a major political force in the country, which was born under the NEP, has received political dominance with the collapse of the Soviet Union and gladly took in their leaders, Vladimir Putin.
Obvious processes taking place for centuries, for some reason seem to be hidden from mainstream science. Funny stare at the keyhole peeping at a neighbor than to see what grows in her garden. And the Russian "social garden" has grown our original vegetable - the Russian bourgeoisie, and is about to finally legalize their exclusive rights in Russia.
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end of the Empire

The Russian Empire was a classic feudal structure. The king was the supreme feudal lord, vassal of which were "national margin," each headed by their own lords of the Bukhara Khan to the Baltic Electors. Europeanized House of Romanov, literally possessed by Russia. The class structure was characteristic of feudal society: the top class of landlords, at the bottom of the peasant class. Get underfoot of the main classes of tradesmen were minority and a social object of ridicule from both landlords and intellectuals who had joined them, and from the peasantry.

80 percent of the population of Russia until 1917 were just farmers - a stronghold of power-king father. And it was less than a century ago. The feudal structure of the same in her great-variant existed in Russia for about four centuries (for comparison - two stories of the United States) and became a huge social inertia. Like it or not, but it was so. King-owner, a dense class of privileged landowners and peasants sea. Cities and towns with their small philistine life of drowning in a sea of ​​villages.

The situation began to change slowly at the end of XIX-early XX centuries. Industrial development, mostly borrowed from Europe, not Self-begotten and created more small working class and some Stolz, Lopakhin stating their claims to the social role of the feudal structure. Enlightened intellectuals 200 years rotated to the West, saw this as the prospects of social convergence with Western Europe, where they habitually spend their holidays, and links. And this convergence may have occurred would have its own specific dalnevostochnoevropeyskih forms closer Austria and Bulgaria than in England or Switzerland, had it not been a great war.

Russia usually draw a random victim of the First World, not losing it because of Lenin, not because of Rasputin. In fact, Russia has played a passive role is not in training division of the world. In the middle of the XIX century tsarist empire began the same process of national identity, as in other feudal empires of the time - from Germany to the Ottoman sultanate. The dominant motif in the multi-ethnic feudal empire became a motif of Slavic identity - the way of the "Third Rome." Hence, war and political intervention in the Balkans and the Slavic ancestral territories of Austria-Hungary. This put Russia on the path to the former counter longstanding allies - Germany and Austria, and thrown into the arms of the Anglo-French Entente. March on Constantinople ended as a result of the Brest peace and the first collapse of the empire. From under Russian eagle slid second most important Slavic country - Poland. Since then, the Slavs in Russia alone are in trouble - from the "Prague Spring" to John Paul II, Lech Walesa and Yushchenko with Lukashenko.

Third Rome was unsuccessful, then tried the Third International. The Bolshevik Party came to power with populist slogans prokrestyanskimi, and finished the restoration of the empire is almost the same borders, but with much more stringent and all-out state machine. Loose imperial rule was replaced by Stalin's autocracy.

What happened to the class structure? The old class of landlords, before the revolution eroded by internal crisis and the coming of capitalism in Europe, part disappeared physically, geographically a part. And the peasant class was the lowest caste in the militarized system obsessed with the industrial accumulation. But the artificial classes, invented formal sociology, does not arise. Working peasants and the working class, plus a layer - the Soviet intelligentsia, turned out to be a swan, a pike and cancer. None of them received an artificial social roles conceived by Marxism-Leninism.

One of the curious error of Marx lies in the fact that nowhere in the world proletariat, they have won or oppressed, the proletarians do not want to be. "Iron battalions of the proletariat" - is nothing more than ad hoc political movement, short-term in nature. It is impossible to survive for long in the barracks, "the army of the proletariat." Inevitably the erosion of an unstable social stratum and the mass overflow troops in more stable and familiar social forms and norms. The Communists saw it, but do nothing about it could not and did not. "The fight against philistinism," proceeded the entire Soviet period and ended in complete surrender to communism, the Russian bourgeoisie. A nomenclature cadres, it is theoretically intended to provide ideological and social purity regime omeschanivalis themselves faster than their subordinates.

The first burst of energy as the new middle class coming to power of the class occurred during the NEP. But do not think that the rejection of the NEP led to the termination gain middle class as a class. Stalinism merely codified and regulated the accumulation of petty-bourgeois, and his neo-classicism is a direct reflection of volte-face - the revolution is over, the poor sent back to where it should be. Stalin's home, giving professors, company cars have set the ceiling of the Soviet dream, to which the ideological empire has sought all her allotted years.

In the Soviet period philistinism strengthened quantitatively and ideologically. Urbanization and development of education peremololi former peasants into the new middle class. Urban class has become a major class of society, and gradually began to find their identity and realize themselves politically. Class clean ride mostly on the old privileged classes and by the revolutionaries. The City also remained relatively unaffected by the petty bourgeoisie revolution, and of course, and naturally not only rooted in the new system, but also transformed it from within. Not being ideologically and socially biased neither Tsarist regime, neither the Soviets, the petty bourgeoisie has developed neutral-negative attitude toward the grandiose projects of the same state of the Third Rome and the triumph of communism throughout the world. Came to the fore the family, their own education, entertainment and consumption.

In the late Brezhnevism comes the golden age of Soviet philistinism: the relative liberalism of the opening to Western sources of information and ideas that increase the availability of material goods - all of this weakened the power of the nomenklatura, which had to be torn between their own and omeschanivaniem old communist industrial nakopitelskimi paradigms. In addition, a growing bourgeoisie interested in their roots and pochvenizirovalos - thousands of Easter demonstrations in predperestroechnoe time, hardly ever happen to already be seen. Bourgeois was the national and international did not want to add on yourself. Bourgeois rejected empire, and it finally collapsed.

The war for your flower bed

The end of the old system simultaneously was the beginning of a new system. Starting with the restructuring of the Russian government is not doing anything else, how does the new political order of the Russian hegemony. The first thing discovered artisan, having won in 1991, political power, is that he is hungry and wants to cover up the shame. Accordingly, all Soviet restrictions on foreign trade, all these "Birches" and spetsraspredeliteli collapsed. It became available to all the same that is available to class brothers in other countries. You can blame the speculators, markets and wild, "Bush legs", but their existence was merely a response to a national cry - "We want today, we are now." At the same time old Soviet system collapsed trade privileges. After changing clothes, eaten, swept across Europe, a multimillion-dollar class burghers acquired a new dignity. He has no complexes. This is a specific real boys and girls, in whatever age they may be stayed.

A "middle class" is a mythic fantasy, like "working class" of Communist ideology. In Russia the average, that is purified from a subject of national traits vigilant care of impersonal bureaucracy, the class does not exist. The middle class exists only in America. And just because there exists an extremely heterogeneous immigrant community, which can operate only with the utmost uniformity. The middle class - it's not the name of this barcode. Politically correct designation of who in Germany would be a burgher, and the burghers of Germany has not been canceled, and mark them unlikely to even the European Parliament, and in England - the impoverished town squire. Russia in this respect closer to the European countries, not U.S., so we have an urban core and also its class, national, and not some kind of average ...

In the 1990s there was a total battle townspeople for their beds for their feeding fields. The call to take sovereignty into their own hands reached the last six acres. Today, almost everyone has sovereignty, it is the same property over something. Poor little left. Opposition obsessively reproduce the myth of the "dying of Russia" on poverty outside Moscow. This, of course, looking to compare. Prior to Illinois, there is still far away, but now even small cities have all or nearly all of the attributes of the new middle-class life - a roof covered with new houses, supermarket chains, satellite dishes, cars and so on and so forth. The winning class snapped up the beds in the best of their abilities and capabilities and hard to cultivate. Give these "beds" nobody no one will be.

This was not written, but in the 1990s, a new artisan thrown out of the country's surging foreign seekers of easy prey. Saved the country from an economic grip. So far ikaetsya lawsuits by "foot" and other hapless newcomers. In the early 1990s I spent much time abroad, working as a professor at a foreign university, and after one of the next arrivals was surprised to see a turn in the mass consciousness of my generation and younger people. If during perestroika all literally in the hands of foreigners were, somewhere, by 1995, Americans have become amerikosov (as they then were called, I do not even want to play here). This happened long before Vladimir Putin, despite a strong pro-Western while still promoting the media, and reflect the results of an open contact with the real, not book by foreigners. Bourgeois felt in them a clear threat to your garden beds and showed them the door. And it was on this wave came Putin, and not vice versa, allegedly came and set up all against the West. Try to have someone to set up something ...

Recapitalization philistines

The next election will take place in difficult conditions of continuing economic crisis. The risk of political tension due to the deteriorating economic situation is very high. And the forecast for 10 years now give simpler than 2-3 years in advance because of my foreseeable possibility of entering a zone of turbulence. If we talk about the ten-year horizon, we can predict the growth of political partisanship and petty-bourgeois class raising the level of the social dimension of life - education, health, transport infrastructure, etc. In other words, to continue the social rapprochement between Russia and the West. This can prevent the sudden appearance of the "cash gap" because giperzavisimosti Russia on foreign trade. Reflex response to the economic catastrophe will be the radicalization of Russian politics and attempts to close the external markets, which will lead to further decline.

Constructive way out of a possible catastrophic situation can only be a failure of policy-Kudrinskaya postgaydarovsko shy emission limitation foreign exchange earnings to government-sponsored mass creation of jobs, read: the new "beds." To save the regime to ensure uninterrupted recapitalize the middle class.

Calls for Scrapping treatment usually comes from people who break first. Intellectuals have nothing to learn and always ready to risk a new revolution and, as always, his neck. Social base in the pro-Western intellectuals on this side of the Atlantic, no. There are simply no constituency. Mikhail Prokhorov, because of its pragmatism simply could not ignore this, noting that the word "opposition" is firmly stuck to the political marginalism.

Democratic politics must be based on reality and take into account the reality occurring processes in the country. Class burghers nemonoliten, and it is clearly distinguished service class and petty bourgeois philistines amateur. Servitors burgers are the support base for Putin and his support groups. To anyone other than Vladimir Putin, Dmitry Medvedev, is based, I can not identify. Sorry, nothing personal («Sorry, nothing personal" - Eng.). Mikhail Prokhorov might find support among those close to him by nature of amateur middle class, if he could save his party from the real or perceived pro-Western. Our burghers their burgers are not needed here. It is a fact, and if they do not realize that effective policies can not be built.

P.S. Of course, a new class brings with it its own culture. Post-imperial intelligentsia still rests, does not want the dustbin of history. But the louder sounds Russian chanson. Listen and you hear the music of the future. In Magadan ...


Specialist similar flux (c) Prutkov
For you as a doctor: Our neuroses - a consequence of specialization (s) Asterrot




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mouse, the mountain gave birth to th.



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Do not think that this Russia is exceptional, the kingdom has already come mishmash , he had proudly marches around the world in their tastes and values, with their nemudreny slogans. Who will rise to throw a stone hand ?
About it, " Revolt of the Masses " Ortega y Gasset , also not the first thing , but it is very symptomatic , IMHO.
The tragedy - is when something suddenly happens , and when quiet and neat, is not a tragedy , just - life. ( we have democracy and human rights do not want - not live, >)



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mouse, the k-th birth to a mountain.
artcol, thanks for a clear metaphor !
(and if you get " chistaakademitski "?

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Moriakoff,
zarajara,
artcol,
burghers and inhabitants , is the difference ?
The middle class , the petty bourgeoisie . landowners , farmers ..
I honestly need a definition (definition) , because not very clearly that it was thinking ?
The middle class is still somehow present .. (it is likely that the layer of the Society, which regularly) hires ( create jobs ), living in their property , children have an excellent education (profession, which allows sozdvat new office . Place )...?
A tradesmen who are you? The townspeople, having the property ?
A farmers' Where? And the owners of farms ?




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It is for this here good stuff.
Decorated in a few posts down there is a link to the next.

It highlights many moments of this consultant-e down.
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Nervous not read
Thank You for the warning!


Read without stopping.
And so it is.

(Unfortunately)

Added after 1 minutes 47 minutes
Bottom line: in the (moral and economic) conditions, the reproduction of life is impossible ..

He remembered the expression (mood) Samvel ..
(Consonant)




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Старый 15.07.2011, 18:06 Язык оригинала: Русский       #9
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Alexander Pushkin

My family tree

Laughing cruelly over the brother who
Scribblers Russian mob
My name is an aristocrat:
Look, perhaps, what nonsense!
I not an officer, not the assessor,
I'm on the cross is not a gentleman,
Not academic, not a professor;
I just Russian artisan.
Читать дальше... 

I understood the wrongness of the time,
Prekoslovlyu not, really, her,
Our new birth of nobility,
And the newer, so noble.
Aging in a piece of childbirth
(And, unfortunately, not one)
Boyar old child I;
I, my friends, the small tradesman.

Not sold my grandfather pancakes
Do not polish the king's boots,
Do not sing with the court a deacon,
In the princes did not jump out of Ukrainians,
And he was not a runaway soldier
Austrian powdered teams;
So if I be an aristocrat?
I thank God, philistine.

My ancestor Racha muscle brane
Nevsky was a saint;
His progeny anger crowned,
Ivan IV spared.
Were carried out with the kings of Pushkin;
Of them was famous for not one,
When the pull of the Poles
Nizhny Novgorod townsman.

Humbling sedition and treachery
And rage swear bad weather,
When the Romanovs to the throne
Called in the charter of its people,
We have to put a hand thereof,
We bestowed the sufferer's son.
Sometimes, we held dear;
Sometimes ... but - I tradesman.

Stubborn spirit we all podgadil:
In his indomitable relatives,
Since my ancestor Peter did not get along
And he was hanged for it.
His example to us whether science:
He does not like controversy master.
Happy prince Jacob Dolgoruky
Smart humble tradesman.

My grandfather, when a rebellion rose
Amid the Peterhof yard
How Munnich, remained faithful
Fall of the Third Peter.
Caught in honor of then Orlov,
And my grandfather into a fortress, in quarantine.
And our family subsided stern
And I was born tradesman.

Under the stamp my seal
I am a pile of letters buried
And do not rub shoulders with the new nobility,
And the pride of blood calmed down.
I am a poet and scholar,
I just Pushkin, not Musin,
I'm not rich, not Chamberlain,
I did great, I tradesman.

Post scriptum

Decided Figlyarin sitting at home,
What my grandfather Hannibal, a black
Was bought for a bottle of rum
And in the hands of the skipper got there.

This was the skipper skipper nice,
Who dvignulas our land,
Who gave a powerful run sovereign
Helm of the native vessel.

This skipper grandfather was available,
And similarly bought arap
Increased zeal, incorruptible,
King of the breastplate, and not a slave.

And he was the father of Hannibal,
Someone to broad Chesmensky depths
Gromada ships vspylala
And he fell for the first time Navarino.

Decided Figlyarin inspired:
I Gentilhomme tradesman.
Well, he respected his family?
He ...? he a vulgar nobleman.

1830
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