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Abstract forever
If there are topics on abstract artist, a separate abstract tendencies associated with abstractionism events and private matters, proper abstract art still has his residence on the forum.
With this could be tolerated if there is no question that affect this area as a whole. But they are, and what evidence have resonated online debate about whether it would not be turned into abstract art in 2011 in a dilapidated old man, doomed forever to retell the stories of the last mumble mouth youth. From a certain point of view all the paintings are abstract. The only difference is in the form as an abstraction. And abstract art in the "au jus" - is not accidental, superficial phenomenon, implanted in the art of ideology and worn-out natural fruit history of painting. In turn, understanding the experience of abstract painting has led to a deeper vision of the historical vicissitudes of the fine arts. "Advanced" experts often say: What's the difference - figurative or not, would be a good picture. It's true, but not all: reducing the problems of abstract art to the general judgments about art, we impoverish our perception of abstract art and lose sight of the moments that are important for understanding the fate of art in general. Such, in brief, raison d'être (reason) for this topic. I see this topic as a container for unaffiliated research and other materials, familiarity with which could make the discussion of abstract art more meaningful. Today abstraction is seen as one exhausted itself an archaic genre, others view him as an abyss of undisclosed potentialities, promising him a new takeoff. Who is right? To avoid projections devised a convenient cliché: "The future will tell." We can only wish the fans of abstract art (and myself among them) that when the future comes, Adorno's words, "art - the promise of happiness, which is never executed" would not sound like much consolation. )) Последний раз редактировалось Art-lover; 12.02.2011 в 23:32. Причина: слабость системы управления сообщениями |
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13.02.2011, 20:46 | Язык оригинала: Русский #2 |
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Art-lover, try to generalize on svoemu.Zhivopis on the ultimate goal (goal) of the expression can be divided into three kinds: material formospisyvayuschuyu (substantive), soul (or rather substantive than bezpredmetnuyu) having an emotional impact, as well as spiritual (both substantive and abstract) Finding the spiritual element in painting is the highest of its content is not required in the contemplative experience of having prdmetnyh forms.
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What you write, I think, relates more to the issue about which the same Ingarden wrote as a distinction between the aesthetic and artistic value of the product |
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Ingarden also makes provisions for the purposes of painting, his task - descriptive: to figure out why a masterpiece differs from daub or indifferent craft crafts. The highest value paintings he believed in the presence of "image", the harmonic (possibly includes working on the image of disharmony), difficult to organize, is intrinsically linked to the integrity of the aesthetic and artistic qualities. Moreover, this synthetic value of the paintings he viewed as a qualitative determination, ie, not reducible to other values, and therefore falls outside of the hierarchy: "So, for example, works by Rembrandt will be fine in a different way than the paintings of Raphael or Leonardo da Vinci. And almost impossible to say that the product of one higher than another, that For example, a self-portrait by Rembrandt in the fez beautiful than any portrait of Leonardo da Vinci's Mona Lisa, or his. " Theory, according to Ingardenu can put the problem of creating a synthetic high integrity, but is unable to solve it. And therefore, could not provide a wizard like what he saw. Achieving this wholeness - akin to a miracle, to express the richness of the content of the masterpiece in conceptual form as possible: "... this is another major problem: what and how the selection of quality, indifferent in value terms, should serve in any thing, or be created by us, that they have aesthetic value, respective artistically valuable, and that they could lead to the constitution of a work of art. And I must say, great artists of their creative acts, as a rule, successfully resolve this problem, though usually more or less deeply aware of it. But such a practical success by itself does not lead to a theoretical resolution of the issue and its conceptual expression. Therefore, the theory of art, as well as the theory itself aesthetic values behind the creative work of artists and usually appears before us only as a purely scientific problem ". (Ingarden) (emphasis added) As to the "spiritual component, it can relate to what Ingarden calls a" metaphysical qualities. " Here's an interesting excerpt from the book "On the structure of the picture, clarifying the issue of possible reflection of these qualities in the abstract art: Цитата:
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14.02.2011, 14:50 | Язык оригинала: Русский #5 |
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Indeed, very interesting and important topic. Thank you so much for its discovery.
I would here like to touch here is some perspective. Professed Roman Ingardenom phenomenological method in the approach to the perception of abstract art is certainly very important and productive. However, let's look at this issue from the other side - from the "metaphysics of abstraction. And here, of course, necessary to the discovery of psychoanalysis. Freud postulated the existence of a great man trudnopostizhimoy for the study areas - the unconscious. It is to her, in my opinion, in the first place and appeals abstract (or non-figurative) art. In contrast to figurative art, which is primarily addressed to our conscious field with preconceived notions out there about the form, composition, structure, space, etc. Our conscious installation in a sense, prevented deeper penetration into the unconscious message of the artist. Abstract art as remove all barriers to such penetration, and directly appeal to our psychological depth. Also remind of the widest distribution of the so-called projective psychology, where the use of abstraction is the key to the deep layers of the human psyche and helps people better understand the source of some of his views on the world, actions and deeds. The simplest example - spot Rorschach (appendix). And here the question arises: whether to apply to the assessment of abstract (non-figurative) art of the same criteria as for figurative art, given the fact that they are addressed to different spheres of human consciousness?
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14.02.2011, 17:33 | Язык оригинала: Русский #6 | |
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Fold the paper in two and pour in the middle of the ink or gouache and get your orrriginalnoe spot.
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Added after 9 minutes Art-lover, you completely understand me saying about teosofnoy trehstupenchatosti.Tem at least say that the availability of the product "image", one way or another is sealed in my suzhdenie.Bolshaya mountain covers a smaller hill. Последний раз редактировалось Peter; 14.02.2011 в 21:34. Причина: Добавлено сообщение |
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Set out in the same Art-lover 'om the material we are talking just about the aesthetic value images of quality of their content, universal (at least with some statistical significance) for a certain group of people in a certain historical period and for particular society. |
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fabosch, all right.
But the question is, which I announced: What are the criteria (aesthetic), we come to abstract art? Would it be the same criteria that we normally are guided toward figurative art?
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Why only abstraknomu art?
The work of art, no matter how much has been invested there high emotions, intellect, can not be so without passing the test of aesthetics. |
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