Старый 02.03.2009, 16:19 Язык оригинала: Русский       #21
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As you can see almost what has long been successfully operating in France. and the French understand the sense in trading and this system has led to the flourishing of art in France.
The French system of organization and taxation of trades has led the contrary, to ensure that all the interesting works of art come in either Switzerland or to the two Anglo-Saxon giants - Sotheby's and Christie's.

Here, look at these materials, maybe your illusions fade

Concerning the organization of auctions in France: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=1095

With regard to auction houses - report of a special commission of the French Senate: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...??????? ??????

There are other branches on the auction houses, in particular, the big story about the origin of the art market, in general, look for



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Workshops are kartinami.prodavat be all that is relevant to collecting and not only sell many times podryad.Esli you know the history of rapid price increase Utrillo? The constantly growing income.

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Besides jobs and a lot.



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If you know the history of rapid price increase Utrillo? The constantly growing income.
With a quick rise in price of his works Utrillo was bound exclusively to Japanese customers (the Japanese have had 3 main characters - Utrillo, Buffet and Marie Laurence). After the Japanese have stopped buying (early 90's.) Prices for all three collapsed vertically, which is easy to verify (for example, in your favorite Acuña).



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Vsamom nachaleUtrillo noticed when sold to a collection of well-known writer Octave Mirbeau, it seems, itogda prices are up do600 francs from 300, it seems to him alone. After that, fans and speculators robbed Montmartre and stoichiometric far prices are rosli.Razdelili two periods. Natural process of living was taken too high, but it is now.
I think Akoon most widely used in terms praktiki.U my friend's Antiques in Provence, it was a reference book.



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will continue the story of poddelschikah. Here's a summary of the book Alain Marture "Art in the fire" in the website of Adrian Darmon.


Alain Marture, the son of a convict, in the past vlomschik and absolutely brilliant forger of paintings, the author of numerous forgeries, signed by the brand name, Derain, Vlaminck, Utrillo, Modigliani and other major artists, has written a book "Art in the fire."

Odiz of his thesis - is that the end of XVIII century to the end of XIX was made not less than 200000 first-rate imitations of the great hudlozhnikov. Many of them are at present the originals - they have been authenticated museum conservatives and hang in the exposition of different museums.

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This master forgeries began his career twenty years - he began to make forgery for the owners of the discos, which ordered him the canvases of the Impressionists, Fauvism and Post-Impressionists, and then sold them on the market. In performing this work, he became acquainted with the most famous people on the art market and, in particular, with Marchand Petridesom, for which he produced fake Utrillo.

Dealer paintings by Fernand Legros sold many of his forgeries, including forged Marche, where this crook he previously authenticated by the widow of the artist.

On manufactured Marture Derain fake certificates of authenticity willingly gave out his daughter and widow of the artist: "Daughters by Maurice de Vlaminck's need for money to repair his suburban home. How many certificates they have issued Fernand Legros? "- Marture wrote in his book. Further, he concludes: "At prtyazhenii Legros period, which lasted until about 1970 certificates of authenticity are often arrived before the execution of the picture, so this whole beau monde (widows, mistresses, and all successors, do not trouble yourself with questions of morality) was in a hurry to get their reward.

Legros sold in the U.S. an incredible number of fakes made Marture, including quite a lot of Kolliur signed by Derain and always accompanied by a certificate of authenticity.

In order to deceive the fans of his paintings of Monet, Bonnard, David, Jerome, it was necessary to have a certain talent, and especially the ability to adjust to the style of forgery artist.
Marture The secret was simple: he was trying to put yourself in the place of the artist to feel their feelings, to pass his way and to work instinctively, without thinking, "disconnect reason" not to lose the spontaneity and automaticity hands, as this would be his once issued.
Once a wealthy lover of fine Marture asked to perform for him the most beautiful paintings in the world, and our forger has made for him pictures of Van Gogh, Gauguin and Modigliani, unbelievable truth. He argues that one of his "Vincent" was sold at a fabulous price at one of the most famous auctions.
This brilliant forger finds that even in the case of cultured people, the experts really know well is not more than 60 paintings: "Usually, this amount does not exceed 25, and I can prove it: from the beginning of the Mei copyist all ordered me to work not exceed the 60 "standard" pictures. I was familiar with the expert who could not quote without preparation, and more than 40 paintings that did not prevent him from doing due diligence and to sell several thousand works. "
Let us say at once: to the professional art market, he is without piiteta - he believes that they are unable to love art for the sake of painting.
Marture lists artists whose work he forged: Turner, Degas, Lautrec, Cezanne, Klimt, Matisse, Dufy, Monet, Vuillard, de Stael, Chagall, Gauguin. Counterfeits of the latter they are produced on canvas from the mail sacks, which he stole from the postman: "Sometimes I laugh at myself in the mustache, seeing that the market appeared" real "Gauguin's drawing, made by me ...
And further: "I presented at a televised three works, and it was stated that two of them - are forgeries. Without hesitation a respected expert pointed to the one which he believed was the only original. All is well, but only, all three films were written by me. "
And then, to escape from himself, says that Soutine and Kisling produced a fair number of "Modigliani" commissioned Zborowski, Marchand Modigliani. Now they are all authenticated as original by the Italian artist,
Marture said they found several versions of works in the middle of Munch and Delaunay in a museum in Oslo, and adds: "I think I - one of the artists whose works are found in most American museums."
He proudly says that the author of dozens of fake Dufy watercolors, occupying pride of place in the bourgeois salons of the United States.
Marture convinced that the demand for counterfeits was caused by increasingly speculative art market. He recalled the case of David Stein, another brilliant counterfeiter painting - a scandal in the United States in 1960. Revealed the existence of a highly profitable market of fakes (Matisse, Miro, Chagall) - the case of two paintings by Watteau, in fact, made a copyist and Kiyarom acquired by the Louvre, or the famous "hat" Magritte, sold at auction famous auctioneer, Mr. Reims. In conclusion, he pointed out that lithography without any doubt has concentrated the largest number of counterfeiters and represents the most significant market fraud - because The Draw graphics diverges millions ekzempl \ ravines. His advice: do not forget that the "genuine lithography strong smell oily ink, fake does not smell anything."
With regard to the works of French art on display in museums in Moscow and St. Petersburg, Marture says that Daniel Vildenshtayn found among them 17 counterfeit, but conservatives in the Louvre Germain Bazin found the 18-S. Paradoxically, because of his discovery, he lost his seat. Regarding the collection of Pierpont Morgan and Andrew Mellon, bequeathed his collection of the Metropolitan Museum, he claimed, they are teeming with fakes.
In conclusion, Alain Marture explains that he does not consider himself the author of counterfeits: he continues the work of an artist to glorify the name of the latter's manufacturing, as it were copies of works that the artist simply did not have time to create.



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I'm shocked! ... Even the smiley you want is not found ...



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I'm shocked!
But I have not "stunning", and wonder.
And not too many publications about fakes? And not too into them (in these publications), some of these fakes? And the "authors"-what? A museum?
Once this is suspicious ...
No?



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Well, I have not "stunning", and wonder.
And not too many publications about fakes? And not too into them (in these publications), some of these fakes? And the "authors"-what? A museum?
Once this is suspicious ...
No?
Usually, I'm also a somewhat surprising. Just when you see the display picture, you realize that after all the good artists had very little, and ask yourself, where do all these masters - because in order to forge Courbet and Degas, need not be a complete zero in the art. It can not be that so many talented people devoted themselves to making falshakov.
I wonder whether all these avtoproklamirovannyh "geniuses fake" any evidence of his authorship? I will try to find in the literature.



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Soutine and Kisling produced a fair number of "Modigliani" commissioned Zborowski, Marchand Modigliani.
This option fraud, as Soutine, Modigliani ( "two in one"), is not so bad ..., no?



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no?
Yes, but I find it hard to imagine that
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Soutine and Kisling produced a fair number of "Modigliani" commissioned Zborowski, Modigliani Marchand.
Must be at least slightly Modi, but whether they Soutine?



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