Старый 26.07.2011, 10:38 Язык оригинала: Русский       #31
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I apologize for the inaccuracy: the press conference "rigged in art" (p. 1)



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Старый 26.07.2011, 10:55 Язык оригинала: Русский       #32
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But I understand that the initiators of the conference were not exactly those characters . The museum's director , ministerial rank, antique dealers , collectors ... I think there was not a single representative of the expert department of all these types of GRC megamonstrov , TG , RM , and so on .
Experts can not be initiated press conferences. This should make directors. Along with his head at the press conference appeared Waqar .




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Experts may not be the initiators of the press conferences . This should make directors. Along with his head at the press conference appeared Waqar .
If you are not experts , then who was the initiator of this campaign ? Managers ? Leaders of what?
Sooo want to know who among the participants of this fruitless debate really is an expert on the works of Natalia Goncharova after her departure from Russia? ?
And on what basis our "experts" that any dispute in foreign publications? They should , first , to improve their own, so as not to disgrace ...



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Maroussia, you 're wrong.
speaking about the study of creativity Goncharova in Russia ( in the sense of our country, and not creative period ) it is not about one or two experts. is, if you want something like a school of \\\\ method and amount of information collected by different our experts for the entire period of study of the author , the story theme. subjective views on specific things , it's subjective opinion, this controversy and conversation , but the general trend of understanding of the issue , our specialists are the same. if you followed the science on Goncharova last 15-20 years , told off all collections and conference proceedings and monographs, then such remarks would not have arisen. see collections of the Russian Museum , the black edition collections of "science" and so on.

but these do not have the novoissledovateley scientific basis for this theme , which is in ours.



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Старый 31.07.2011, 08:19 Язык оригинала: Русский       #35
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They should, first, to improve their own, so as not to disgrace ...

You, on which publications you say?



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speaking about the study of creativity Goncharova in Russia (in the sense of our country, and no period of creativity), it is not about one or two experts. is, if you want something like a school of \\\\ method and amount of information collected by different our experts for the entire period of study of the author, the story theme.
I'm just trying to figure out who was researching the art Natalia Goncharova after her departure from Russia.
Her Russian period studied sufficiently well (the first names in Russian art history) and presented in our best museums.
I wonder who of the participants, was holding at least one job, declared a forgery? Or decide on the photos? Or how do you propose? Then, in terms not far removed from our forum ...
And who really is an expert on the late works of Natalia Goncharova? This is important because, in my opinion, it is impossible to make such statements without studying the works and keeping them in their hands.
The argument that someone has not worked in our archives, I personally think funny. Because our experts have worked, but it did not stop them publish what they deem it necessary ... Archive - not a library, and there is such a document as a "sheet of" signs in him by anyone who looked through it, so fortunately or unfortunately, I have a good idea of ​​who from our experts and used as received information in the archives.

Dear Tiutchev, I have repeatedly tried to edit respected publications in the forum, hoping that they corrected the publishers. Only nothing happens.
I am ready to answer for his every word, and name of publication, the authors and errors in them. Only is it "is someone who needs it?"
At best, we are with you, as usual, banned because the authors are members of the advisory council site Art Investment ...



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Старый 02.08.2011, 03:32 Язык оригинала: Русский       #37
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I'm just trying to figure out who is involved in the study of creativity Natalia Goncharova after her departure from Russia.
Her Russian period studied sufficiently well (the first names in Russian art history) and presented in our best museums.
I wonder who of the participants, was holding at least one job, declared a forgery? Or decide on the photos? Or how do you propose? Then, in terms not far removed from our forum ...
And who really is an expert on the late works of Natalia Goncharova? This is important because, in my opinion, it is impossible to make such statements without studying the works and keeping them in their hands.
The argument that someone has not worked in our archives, I personally think funny. Because our experts have worked, but it did not stop them publish what they deem it necessary ... Archive - not a library, and there is such a document as a "sheet of" signs in him by anyone who looked through it, so fortunately or unfortunately, I have a good idea of ​​who from our experts and used as received information in the archives.

Dear Tiutchev, I have repeatedly tried to edit respected publications in the forum, hoping that they corrected the publishers. Only nothing happens.
I am ready to answer for his every word, and name of publication, the authors and errors in them. Only is it "is someone who needs it?"
At best, we are with you, as usual, banned because the authors are members of the advisory council site Art Investment ...
Maroussia, of course, you are right about what work it is desirable to "handle", but only if they are credible in the first stage of acquaintance with them. If a photo is clear that this is not and can not be what it announced, then why spend time and effort in future work. After all, technological expertise, it is only a confirmation (or denial) of art. There is no law (rules) that the image will certainly need to look alive. This is confirmed by practice.
 
Maroussia, I am interested to know your opinion. And I'll be grateful if you share your findings. I think the concerns about the discrepancy about your opinion of your expert opinion Artinvestmenta exaggerated. That's your opinion and you have every right to express it in the forum (well, at least, this applies to art and artrynka. It seemed to have no limits).




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work it is desirable to " handle ", but only if they are credible in the first stage of acquaintance with them .
Drogo Tiutchev , I can not agree with you : first, trust has to call someone who keeps the work in hand!
You , too , I think you'll not trust the opinion of the first comer ...
Therefore, probably the fifth time I ask, who is of Russian experts has researched and studied the work of Natalia Goncharova after her departure from Russia?



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Drogo Tiutchev, I can not agree with you: first, the trust has to call someone who keeps the work in hand!
You, too, I think you'll not trust the opinion of the first comer ...
Therefore, probably the fifth time I ask, who is of Russian experts has researched and studied the work of Natalia Goncharova after her departure from Russia?
Maroussia I do not understand you well. I was talking about everyday practice and the abstract. The fact when you have to filter out questionable pictures on the stage of study on photography. If we talk about the formation of fundamental knowledge then, of course, I agree with you, the idea of ​​the artist or a certain period of creativity should consist of a direct study of his work. But is it in Russian museums do not work Goncharova Paris period? These works appeared in Russia during the Soviet Union. Maybe not all that could be, but still. And then, we have twenty years, can move freely around the world and look at pictures of different meetings. Even the pictures were both bought in Russia. And who is a specialist in Russia, you ask? Who will appoint the museum, dealer and the collecting community that is. And not necessarily a single person. There is a difficulty, it is true, but the situation is not static. Scientific understanding of the artist's working hours and skills to identify the 'wrong' work. It is a process. And the process goes. A revelation of forgeries, including the directories published in the West, this is part of the process.

And yet, the study of Russian heritage Goncharova period provides many opportunities for the understanding of his French period. It is a powerful artist, and so solid (it is possible and vice versa). It was during the Russian artist asked his subsequent development, and not vice versa. It is in Russia to its roots. Who knows Russian Goncharov, that is not difficult to understand and with the French. But who does not know Russian period, he will "flounder about" in all its artistic heritage.




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is a powerful artist , and so solid (it is possible and vice versa) . It was during the Russian artist asked his subsequent development, and not vice versa . It is in Russia to its roots. Who knows Russian Goncharov, that is not difficult to understand and with the French . But who does not know Russian period , he will " flounder about " in all its artistic heritage .

Tyutchev, it is very true you noticed ...
It turned out, even once , solemnly !
I'll bet you - excellent! >




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