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15.02.2011, 00:19 | Язык оригинала: Русский #31 |
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I think it's just a label. In this connection the question arises, what is - an abstraction? And what is her attitude. and that - no? However, we did respond in this topic.
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15.02.2011, 00:26 | Язык оригинала: Русский #32 | ||
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15.02.2011, 00:35 | Язык оригинала: Русский #33 | |||
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Yes, no, no label. Study of mass culture, art and other issues of society in the West attaches great importance - for obvious reasons. There's all laid out, the transmission mode. This is our point of return for moving forward - the avant-garde, but there has long been all chewed and 50 years. So Western scholars in matters of codification can be trusted.
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15.02.2011, 00:44 | Язык оригинала: Русский #34 | |||
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Stanislavsky, I see that late in replying, but do not disappear as good.
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Therefore, the thesis about the superiority of abstraction above figurativom in "breaking" the unconscious is not obvious. Truth is, perhaps, in the middle: in the abstract surrealism. This is an interesting direction after a short way - in the early 1940's - has been supplanted by abstract expressionism. In my opinion, because American artists have not been able to pull (a pity. Somehow I'll return to this issue). Цитата:
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15.02.2011, 00:48 | Язык оригинала: Русский #35 | ||||
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(Though some of it quite the same deal). Of course it also has composite features, and color-textured subtlety simply by virtue of the fact that this painting. But in Malevich, and Duchamp, and then many others in large quantities from the start of 1960 (Boyce, Land Art, Minimalism, Arte Povera, etc.) there is a new dimension, which in the old slide rule does not present. Well, in impressionist, say, too, was a new shkalka on the ruler, which was not up to them. And Uccello is not it? It now seems that this is not new line appeared, and simply dividing by the scale were added, and at that time it was also a sort of black square. Yes, now it seems that in the 20 century there was overriding the boundaries of art. Maybe the way it is, but I think this issue goes far beyond the boundaries of the topic and even some scary it is to begin to develop Цитата:
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15.02.2011, 00:56 | Язык оригинала: Русский #36 |
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Thought possible, and develop, and to answer your question, Stanislavsky. But I'm afraid no one kerf in the problems of the present art
Threat has recently been in the MSC and talked to a famous artist. He made a name for abstract art, come to certain conclusions in the same vein in which I broadcast here (find a full understanding - to communicate 6 hours), but the weight was unsupportable (70 years of Soviet power), barely survived. Now moved to the figurative, that would break. But work is still great, just not as brutal. Последний раз редактировалось artcol; 15.02.2011 в 13:36. |
15.02.2011, 10:29 | Язык оригинала: Русский #37 |
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artcol, noticed that somehow you with a soft sign in Russian, take liberties, you have this appear in random locations, and this fact changes the meaning of the verb :-)
IMHO, too many characters .. it's pretty simple - an abstraction - the composition and colors, do not rely on figurative everyday life. If the artist forgets that first and foremost is the composition, then we obtain multicolored amoeba who want to call a provincial abstract art. Starting with Cezanne all went to the fact that the composition and color took away more and more attention to the artist and viewer. In Russia, a provincial abstract, because in the composition of our artists are weak, Malevich and Kandinsky when they were., And then only a short glimpse. And in the West, on the contrary, the tendency of the solution pattern of strong composition intensified the genius of Picasso, Matisse, Braque, Dali, Le Corbusier, yes they are all strong in composition. In the old regime abstractionism, Malevich, Kandinsky was a lot of reason, dry theory, my friend, but the tree of life green. Therefore, with the 40-ies of Americans to the ideas of rational composition and color are welcome to wear a irrational action paintings, t e a spontaneous, semi-conscious painting. Dry immediately healed abstract passions, EM they were able to find a middle ground. Abstract surrealism Gorky, as well as any surrealist tells us about other people's nightmares and complexes. But who cares? we have enough of his, from which would be happy to get rid of, and then there was someone else's. People want positive, so all the surreal - marginally. Education abstract art is the training track, we have no one to teach, and Americans feel perfectly plane leaf, the centers of gravity, the combination of small and large items, they understand that abstraction is a clear and precise composition, we understand that abstraction is when it is not clear that daubed. I myself as an artist, suffer from this drawback, so I say with such vehemence.
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15.02.2011, 10:41 | Язык оригинала: Русский #38 |
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Ecclesiastes 7:1-4 "A good name is better than precious ointment, and the day of death - the day of birth. It is better to go to the house of mourning than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of every human being, and the living is to his heart. Sorrow is better than laughter, because the sadness of the face, the heart is made better. The heart of the wise - in the house of mourning, and the heart of fools - in a fun house. "
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15.02.2011, 10:51 | Язык оригинала: Русский #39 |
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Dear Thread, I thank you for opening the theoretical debate on contemporary art studies relating to abstract art. I'm glad that in January and February on the forum came at once 3 themes related to different aspects of abstractionism - experiment - practical issue (for my plein air in Kamenetz), on the validity of abstract art v2011 year (Isis on specific works of art and neiskusstva) and now your - a global issue, where you can discuss various aspects of this phenomenon (finally and before Freud arrived, it was time)))
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15.02.2011, 13:04 | Язык оригинала: Русский #40 |
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It happens. This is not what I had forgotten grammar or do not know much "Often the phrase rebuild (wee computer era, used to not think in my head, but in a text editor ), well, then there are these signs disappear
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